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Wow. This model is so good, and we have GLM 5.3 (seems great voor security related work) and Deepseek. In a few months we'll have Fable/Sol-like capabilities th

by svdr 1mo ago

Wow. This model is so good, and we have GLM 5.3 (seems great voor security related work) and Deepseek. In a few months we'll have Fable/Sol-like capabilities that are not coming from the big US companies. I feel as a programmer that that is more than enough. How wil OpenAI and Anthropic survive when frontier model intelligence becomes commoditized?

horacemorace 1mo ago
They’ll certainly try to stymie people by colluding with manufacturers until we get nvidia level hardware or LLM ASICs from the East.
awb 1mo ago
The demand curve for speed and intelligence seems pretty steep to me. If you look at the hiring marketplace, being just marginally better than your peers can be very lucrative. If you’re competing on speed or capability as a company (or as an employee), you’re probably going to be willing to pay for the frontier.
- croes 1mo ago
  Most companies have a limited budget. Good enough with a lower price will win the masses
- HarHarVeryFunny 1mo ago
  > If you look at the hiring marketplace, being just marginally better than your peers can be very lucrative. I would say that in software this is completely false. Someone straight out of college, not very useful, makes 75-100K. Top level senior outside of FAANG is making twice that at best (and at least 10x more capable).
  - Der_Einzige 1mo ago
    You told on yourself about being either European or from a flyover state.
    - HarHarVeryFunny 1mo ago
      I happen to be from NJ, but you're also not going to be making a Meta/Google salary in NY outside of NYC.
chr15m 1mo ago
I stopped using Fable and Opus 5 because I literally can't understand the output. The waffle is so intense it no longer makes sense. I don't understand who is using those to get real work done. I'm using kimi-k3 on a real high level dev & analysis task at the moment (with Gemini flash for fast implementation) and it is fantastic. I think we have passed the point where frontier intelligence is commoditized.
- gen220 1mo ago
  just curious; which fable/opus versions are you using? Fable-1m-max-thinking output, despite being incredibly slow and expensive, feels like it bucked a trend towards superficial loquaciousness in their models that had been building since 4.6. I'm a bit of a luddite when it comes to upgrading models, fable was the first one to make me give up Opus 4.6-1M-max.
  - chr15m 1mo ago
    I'm just using the defaults, through Claude.ai on the web.
- pmarsh 1mo ago
  Curious what level of thinking you have been using as well. Found that lowering it actually gets me better results.
  - chr15m 1mo ago
    I'm just using the defaults.
- __s 1mo ago
  Using it to get real work done: * https://github.com/HarbourMasters/Shipwright/pull/7047 https://github.com/HarbourMasters/Shipwright/pull/7047 * https://github.com/HarbourMasters/Shipwright/pull/7070 https://github.com/HarbourMasters/Shipwright/pull/7070 just need to give it clear direction, guide it about how to properly use hooks / preserve decomp code, rewrite all the comments, go back & redo things when it spits out some ugly hack, ... but this does save time, especially considering this is working with decomp code where many functions are random hex addresses

by svdr 1mo ago

horacemorace 1mo ago

They’ll certainly try to stymie people by colluding with manufacturers until we get nvidia level hardware or LLM ASICs from the East.

awb 1mo ago

The demand curve for speed and intelligence seems pretty steep to me. If you look at the hiring marketplace, being just marginally better than your peers can be very lucrative. If you’re competing on speed or capability as a company (or as an employee), you’re probably going to be willing to pay for the frontier.

croes 1mo ago
Most companies have a limited budget. Good enough with a lower price will win the masses
HarHarVeryFunny 1mo ago
> If you look at the hiring marketplace, being just marginally better than your peers can be very lucrative. I would say that in software this is completely false. Someone straight out of college, not very useful, makes 75-100K. Top level senior outside of FAANG is making twice that at best (and at least 10x more capable).
- Der_Einzige 1mo ago
  You told on yourself about being either European or from a flyover state.
  - HarHarVeryFunny 1mo ago
    I happen to be from NJ, but you're also not going to be making a Meta/Google salary in NY outside of NYC.

chr15m 1mo ago

I stopped using Fable and Opus 5 because I literally can't understand the output. The waffle is so intense it no longer makes sense. I don't understand who is using those to get real work done. I'm using kimi-k3 on a real high level dev & analysis task at the moment (with Gemini flash for fast implementation) and it is fantastic. I think we have passed the point where frontier intelligence is commoditized.

gen220 1mo ago
just curious; which fable/opus versions are you using? Fable-1m-max-thinking output, despite being incredibly slow and expensive, feels like it bucked a trend towards superficial loquaciousness in their models that had been building since 4.6. I'm a bit of a luddite when it comes to upgrading models, fable was the first one to make me give up Opus 4.6-1M-max.
- chr15m 1mo ago
  I'm just using the defaults, through Claude.ai on the web.
pmarsh 1mo ago
Curious what level of thinking you have been using as well. Found that lowering it actually gets me better results.
- chr15m 1mo ago
  I'm just using the defaults.
__s 1mo ago
Using it to get real work done: * https://github.com/HarbourMasters/Shipwright/pull/7047 https://github.com/HarbourMasters/Shipwright/pull/7047 * https://github.com/HarbourMasters/Shipwright/pull/7070 https://github.com/HarbourMasters/Shipwright/pull/7070 just need to give it clear direction, guide it about how to properly use hooks / preserve decomp code, rewrite all the comments, go back & redo things when it spits out some ugly hack, ... but this does save time, especially considering this is working with decomp code where many functions are random hex addresses