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You're right, but if you imagine a world where a machine outcompetes you for every job, you have no other choice unless you just want everyone to sit around doi

You're right, but if you imagine a world where a machine outcompetes you for every job, you have no other choice unless you just want everyone to sit around doing nothing. There's no market signals anymore to guide labor, so if you want people to work and understand their economy, you'll have to design some signals.

arjie 1mo ago
I think the thought experiment of achieving marginal cost per job higher with human than machine for all jobs is best explored with the pathway there. Machines will not come into existence in a blink. Real-world concerns like manufacturing capacity and power will constrain the pace of building. (In the event they don’t, we will be grey goo). Given that, the question becomes what happens in the intermediary period and whether that period will last very long. You have to contend with my utility function in that period which prefers maximum leisure over Commissar Wilson’s Labor Corps. Either you let me have the machine that outcompetes everyone else for the things I want done and I don’t enter your CWLC or that thing I want done needs a human and I will exchange something I have to get what the other has and reinvent market economics the hard way on the black market if required. Put simply, commissar, I don’t want to work or understand my economy so unless machines arrive in a blink and place you on the throne, the fact that you want that has no bearing on what will occur through the transition because there are more of me.
- Wilsoniumite 1mo ago
  I mean, fair enough, but this is just me toying with the hypothetical, at no point did I say we need to do this immediately right now, but thinking ahead is just prudent, no? One of the cool things about the system design is there are only a few numbers you need to/can set: - UBI level - Short Placement Level - State index vs market requirement ratio (this is the big one, essentially "how much do we trust crisis forecasters versus what the market thinks") - A few other small ones that don't do much. At no point except for one thing (which I explicitly said is so hard that probs you don't do it) can you favor one company over another. At most, you can favor one industry over another, but even then that is offset by the higher level ratio.
  - arjie 1mo ago
    That’s fair. You should be able to play with an idea without it being perfect. All right then. I think industry level collusion is the natural thing that arises from this with regulatory capture. But it’s fine. No need to be overly negative. I’ll leave it alone.

arjie 1mo ago

I think the thought experiment of achieving marginal cost per job higher with human than machine for all jobs is best explored with the pathway there. Machines will not come into existence in a blink. Real-world concerns like manufacturing capacity and power will constrain the pace of building. (In the event they don’t, we will be grey goo). Given that, the question becomes what happens in the intermediary period and whether that period will last very long. You have to contend with my utility function in that period which prefers maximum leisure over Commissar Wilson’s Labor Corps. Either you let me have the machine that outcompetes everyone else for the things I want done and I don’t enter your CWLC or that thing I want done needs a human and I will exchange something I have to get what the other has and reinvent market economics the hard way on the black market if required. Put simply, commissar, I don’t want to work or understand my economy so unless machines arrive in a blink and place you on the throne, the fact that you want that has no bearing on what will occur through the transition because there are more of me.

Wilsoniumite 1mo ago
I mean, fair enough, but this is just me toying with the hypothetical, at no point did I say we need to do this immediately right now, but thinking ahead is just prudent, no? One of the cool things about the system design is there are only a few numbers you need to/can set: - UBI level - Short Placement Level - State index vs market requirement ratio (this is the big one, essentially "how much do we trust crisis forecasters versus what the market thinks") - A few other small ones that don't do much. At no point except for one thing (which I explicitly said is so hard that probs you don't do it) can you favor one company over another. At most, you can favor one industry over another, but even then that is offset by the higher level ratio.
- arjie 1mo ago
  That’s fair. You should be able to play with an idea without it being perfect. All right then. I think industry level collusion is the natural thing that arises from this with regulatory capture. But it’s fine. No need to be overly negative. I’ll leave it alone.