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We applied for the cybersecurity approval via the form and got approval back in less than an hour. Have you… tried?

kouteiheika 1mo ago
Have you tried to use Fable for anything even remotely security related, when the refusals kick in as soon as you even fart in the vague direction of anything security or biology-adjacent?
- b112 1mo ago
  For this comment to have value, you should indicate whether or not you applied for cybersecurity approval, and were approved or not.
- simonjgreen 1mo ago
  Our automated CVE testing harness is now powered by Claude after we got the approval. (For interest, we’re using VVAH https://github.com/visa/visa-vulnerability-agentic-harness https://github.com/visa/visa-vulnerability-agentic-harness )
grey-area 1mo ago
Are there any limitations on this version?
alightsoul 1mo ago
You must be a 5000 person company with an existing enterprise contract to get approved that fast. That sounds like a 15 minute SLA agreement. Individuals no matter how qualified about cybersecurity, are ghosted
- xx_ns 1mo ago
  That's not my experience at all. I was approved fairly fast - around an hour from submitting the form and getting a response. However, even being in the cybersecurity programme, Fable refuses to answer prompts that it determines could be even tangentially related to cybersecurity. In fact, for a while, I was unable to use Fable with any prompt, as it recalled from memory that I was a cybersecurity professional, which triggered the refusal even for simple prompts like asking for a chili recipe.
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  - captn3m0 1mo ago
    I am guessing you are approved for the Cyber Verification Program. I also applied and got approved in an hour (on a Saturday!), but it only applies to Opus and Sonnet: https://support.claude.com/en/articles/14604842-real-time-cyber-safeguards-on-claude-opus-and-sonnet https://support.claude.com/en/articles/14604842-real-time-cy.... It let me use Opus for cybersecurity work, pretty much everything except for Ransomware development. It would occasionally still trip and start saying no till I added a note about CVP in my claude.md. No one gets to use Fable for Cybersecurity work, and Mythos is not available under CVP. Only for select few customers, and there isn't an application form?
112233 1mo ago
Why should I apply for *cybersecurity* approval in order to have model debug a program it is writing itself? Anything related to memory safety, debugging, syscalls etc (meaning, "programming") somehow is cybersecurity now?
- spaceman_2020 1mo ago
  Your tools refusing to do your bidding is an absurd idea in the first place Imagine asking for permission to use your hammer
  - brynnbee 1mo ago
    I mean I don't want autonomous cars to follow directions by humans that sound like "plow into this crowd of people". Even things like microwaves don't let you turn it on without the door closed. I don't see how this is any different.
    - 112233 1mo ago
      It is fundamentally diferent because it tries to judge your intent. Thus being both opaque and unpredictable. Car refusing to drive onto person is easily understood. Autonomous car refusing to drive you to corner of Baker's street because that is suspicious destination, with no recourse or explanation, is totally different thing.
    - spaceman_2020 1mo ago
      This is why you can't leave judgment to technology, and why we have law enforcement and courts "Plow into this crowd of people" is nominally wrong, but what if its actually "plow into this crowd of people that are hurting and robbing a family with two small children" Your smart hammer refuses to let you smash into a glass window, but what if you were smashing into the glass window to save a child stuck in a fire?

Have you tried to use Fable for anything even remotely security related, when the refusals kick in as soon as you even fart in the vague direction of anything security or biology-adjacent?

b112 1mo ago
For this comment to have value, you should indicate whether or not you applied for cybersecurity approval, and were approved or not.
simonjgreen 1mo ago
Our automated CVE testing harness is now powered by Claude after we got the approval. (For interest, we’re using VVAH https://github.com/visa/visa-vulnerability-agentic-harness https://github.com/visa/visa-vulnerability-agentic-harness )

grey-area 1mo ago

Are there any limitations on this version?

alightsoul 1mo ago

You must be a 5000 person company with an existing enterprise contract to get approved that fast. That sounds like a 15 minute SLA agreement. Individuals no matter how qualified about cybersecurity, are ghosted

xx_ns 1mo ago
That's not my experience at all. I was approved fairly fast - around an hour from submitting the form and getting a response. However, even being in the cybersecurity programme, Fable refuses to answer prompts that it determines could be even tangentially related to cybersecurity. In fact, for a while, I was unable to use Fable with any prompt, as it recalled from memory that I was a cybersecurity professional, which triggered the refusal even for simple prompts like asking for a chili recipe.
- deleted 1mo ago
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- captn3m0 1mo ago
  I am guessing you are approved for the Cyber Verification Program. I also applied and got approved in an hour (on a Saturday!), but it only applies to Opus and Sonnet: https://support.claude.com/en/articles/14604842-real-time-cyber-safeguards-on-claude-opus-and-sonnet https://support.claude.com/en/articles/14604842-real-time-cy.... It let me use Opus for cybersecurity work, pretty much everything except for Ransomware development. It would occasionally still trip and start saying no till I added a note about CVP in my claude.md. No one gets to use Fable for Cybersecurity work, and Mythos is not available under CVP. Only for select few customers, and there isn't an application form?

112233 1mo ago

Why should I apply for *cybersecurity* approval in order to have model debug a program it is writing itself? Anything related to memory safety, debugging, syscalls etc (meaning, "programming") somehow is cybersecurity now?

spaceman_2020 1mo ago
Your tools refusing to do your bidding is an absurd idea in the first place Imagine asking for permission to use your hammer
- brynnbee 1mo ago
  I mean I don't want autonomous cars to follow directions by humans that sound like "plow into this crowd of people". Even things like microwaves don't let you turn it on without the door closed. I don't see how this is any different.
  - 112233 1mo ago
    It is fundamentally diferent because it tries to judge your intent. Thus being both opaque and unpredictable. Car refusing to drive onto person is easily understood. Autonomous car refusing to drive you to corner of Baker's street because that is suspicious destination, with no recourse or explanation, is totally different thing.
  - spaceman_2020 1mo ago
    This is why you can't leave judgment to technology, and why we have law enforcement and courts "Plow into this crowd of people" is nominally wrong, but what if its actually "plow into this crowd of people that are hurting and robbing a family with two small children" Your smart hammer refuses to let you smash into a glass window, but what if you were smashing into the glass window to save a child stuck in a fire?