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> It's "recent" carbon, not carboniferous, so... Yeah try telling that to the people who want to ban beef because the cows eat grass and burp

by hammock 1mo ago

triceratops 1mo ago
Cows also eat corn and burp. Corn is grown with fertilizers and harvested with tractors and shipped by truck. All fossil-fuel intensive. If all we had were grass-fed cows and no deforestation to raise them, it would be a much smaller problem.
- belorn 1mo ago
  A lot of political platforms has the goal of using corn based ethanol to become carbon-neutral, by burning that fuel for heat, electricity and in transportation. Animal feed and bio fuels are directly competing with each other. For now, animal feed has a bit bigger portion of the market but the distance is shrinking as demand for bio fuels are constantly increasing. With plans to increase bio fuel consumptions several times over, bio fuels will overtake animal feed in consumption, while deforestation will increase in order to generate more green credits.
  - triceratops 1mo ago
    > using corn based ethanol to become carbon-neutral You misspelled "to win the farm lobby". That's the only reason for the ethanol stupidity.
    - belorn 1mo ago
      It is both that and the primary strategy that countries in central to northern Europe uses to bring down emissions. The only political group that oppose that specific strategy is the far right, which isn't a party all people who care about climate change will rally behind. I have often said that burning fuel in thermal power plants should be banned for new power plants, as that would eliminate much of the dishonesty in the climate change debate. There is a need for a political movement that simply embrace emission free energy, without trying to redefine it as including bio fuels and natural gas.
      - triceratops 1mo ago
        > the primary strategy that countries in central to northern Europe uses to bring down emissions Does it bring down emissions though? Has anyone done a full life-cycle study? Growing corn creates emissions.

> It's "recent" carbon, not carboniferous, so... Yeah try telling that to the people who want to ban beef because the cows eat grass and burp

by hammock 1mo ago

> It's "recent" carbon, not carboniferous, so... Yeah try telling that to the people who want to ban beef because the cows eat grass and burp

triceratops 1mo ago

Cows also eat corn and burp. Corn is grown with fertilizers and harvested with tractors and shipped by truck. All fossil-fuel intensive. If all we had were grass-fed cows and no deforestation to raise them, it would be a much smaller problem.

belorn 1mo ago
A lot of political platforms has the goal of using corn based ethanol to become carbon-neutral, by burning that fuel for heat, electricity and in transportation. Animal feed and bio fuels are directly competing with each other. For now, animal feed has a bit bigger portion of the market but the distance is shrinking as demand for bio fuels are constantly increasing. With plans to increase bio fuel consumptions several times over, bio fuels will overtake animal feed in consumption, while deforestation will increase in order to generate more green credits.
- triceratops 1mo ago
  > using corn based ethanol to become carbon-neutral You misspelled "to win the farm lobby". That's the only reason for the ethanol stupidity.
  - belorn 1mo ago
    It is both that and the primary strategy that countries in central to northern Europe uses to bring down emissions. The only political group that oppose that specific strategy is the far right, which isn't a party all people who care about climate change will rally behind. I have often said that burning fuel in thermal power plants should be banned for new power plants, as that would eliminate much of the dishonesty in the climate change debate. There is a need for a political movement that simply embrace emission free energy, without trying to redefine it as including bio fuels and natural gas.
    - triceratops 1mo ago
      > the primary strategy that countries in central to northern Europe uses to bring down emissions Does it bring down emissions though? Has anyone done a full life-cycle study? Growing corn creates emissions.