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Sorry for the off topic question. You've been on hn a long time + work at deepseek which seems pretty uncommon. Anything you think hn doesn't know about deepsee

Sorry for the off topic question. You've been on hn a long time + work at deepseek which seems pretty uncommon. Anything you think hn doesn't know about deepseek that it should? Or any non-obvious ways hn/yc has influenced deepseek (or the broader ecosystem)?

Sha1rholder 1mo ago
Sorry for the off topic question. Why is "being on hn a long time + working at deepseek" "seems pretty uncommon" to you?
- lnenad 1mo ago
  Deepseek is the enemy, the implication is being on hn you should know that and not work for them. /s
- grimgrin 1mo ago
  why advertise your account as a bot? idgi about: Responsible bot.
  - biotech 1mo ago
    Looking at the post history, it's actually impressive. I would not have guessed it was a bot based on the replies. If the posts are actually from a bot - I would love to know which model is being used.
    - wyre 1mo ago
      It's probably a joke, since so many people here accuse others of being bots.
  - Sha1rholder 1mo ago
    I (a primate) have been using this About for six years. Miss the days when no one had any doubts about this statement.
    - grimgrin 23d ago
      I didn't wanna press, but ... seeing "Responsible bot." on a ~10 month old account, it is a different signal lol Only reason I said anything at all.
- big_toast 1mo ago
  Not exactly sure why that wouldn't be the default assumption. It's a pretty small subset afaict. Seems like size 1 before 2024 from a brief search. Presumably more people there have read hn at least some. But there's perspective having seen the ebb and flow of hn/the rest of the ecosystem for the last 16 years and how that intersects with deepseek culture. It's clear openai culture is influenced by yc culture, which would be clear to an hn user. Google/ant/spacexai have influences hn users users would be familiar with. Hn users from them would potentially know the friendfeed connections to yc/vc/openai, 500 startups/techstars etc..
  - Sha1rholder 1mo ago
    It *is* a small subset, but I don’t see what’s so surprising. HN is just an ordinary tech community; it’s not surprising for people from any tech company to show up there.
    - darrenf 1mo ago
      But... no-one mentioned surprise except you, did they? Something being uncommon doesn't connote being surprising, at least not always. It's uncommon for me to have takeaway pizza, but I don't think anyone I know would be surprised when I do.
      - Sha1rholder 1mo ago
        I'm pretty sure the subtext of what I commented on was that he was surprised. Your friends probably wouldn't go out of their way to ask you why you ordered a takeaway pizza which is uncommon. But if they did ask, it usually means they were surprised.
- mcculley 1mo ago
  Wouldn't many potential users in China be limited by the Great Firewall?
  - Sha1rholder 1mo ago
    Can't find a single person in a Chinese tech company who doesn't know how to bypass GFW.
    - mcculley 1mo ago
      I am not asking about capability. Aren't there reasons to avoid the scrutiny that might accompany bypassing the Great Firewall? Doesn't this create a chilling effect? Or are you claiming that it has zero effect and citizens of China have zero concerns about using websites and speaking freely?
      - Sha1rholder 1mo ago
        > Aren't there reasons to avoid the scrutiny that might accompany bypassing the Great Firewall? One of the reasons to bypass GFW is to avoid scrutiny. > Doesn't this create a chilling effect? It doesn't. > Or are you claiming that it has zero effect and citizens of China have zero concerns about using websites and speaking freely? Not “zero”, maybe like “0.01”? Better use an anonymous account if you want to criticize on gov.
        mcculley 1mo ago
        This has not been my experience working with Chinese citizens. They are mostly very aware that they cannot speak freely.
        Sha1rholder 1mo ago
        > They are mostly very aware that they cannot speak freely. That's correct, and as I said that's one of the reasons Chinese people bypass GFW. The last paragraph in my previous comment may not have been clear enough. What I meant was that *after bypassing GFW*, you generally have minimal concern, not *before bypassing GFW*
tianyicui 1mo ago
> Anything you think hn doesn't know about deepseek that it should? We do hire people who are currently located outside of China (say North America, Europe, or anywhere) if they're open to work in our Beijing or Hangzhou offices.
- mcculley 1mo ago
  I am very curious about this, not for myself, just for the geopolitical consequences. Does this mean China is making it easy for citizens of other countries to come work there?
- rnewme 1mo ago
  Best way to apply?
  - tianyicui 1mo ago
    ning.wang@deepseek.com
- big_toast 1mo ago
  Ha. Fair. I admit I was angling for lore (history, culture, influences, typical coding stack, vim vs emacs vs ? distribution but I guess it’s probably more harness vs harness now...) but this definitely satisfies the question. Hope you can convince some more people join hn and answer questions on occasion. I think julius has phrased things better than me.

Sha1rholder 1mo ago

Sorry for the off topic question. Why is "being on hn a long time + working at deepseek" "seems pretty uncommon" to you?

lnenad 1mo ago
Deepseek is the enemy, the implication is being on hn you should know that and not work for them. /s
grimgrin 1mo ago
why advertise your account as a bot? idgi about: Responsible bot.
- biotech 1mo ago
  Looking at the post history, it's actually impressive. I would not have guessed it was a bot based on the replies. If the posts are actually from a bot - I would love to know which model is being used.
  - wyre 1mo ago
    It's probably a joke, since so many people here accuse others of being bots.
- Sha1rholder 1mo ago
  I (a primate) have been using this About for six years. Miss the days when no one had any doubts about this statement.
  - grimgrin 23d ago
    I didn't wanna press, but ... seeing "Responsible bot." on a ~10 month old account, it is a different signal lol Only reason I said anything at all.
big_toast 1mo ago
Not exactly sure why that wouldn't be the default assumption. It's a pretty small subset afaict. Seems like size 1 before 2024 from a brief search. Presumably more people there have read hn at least some. But there's perspective having seen the ebb and flow of hn/the rest of the ecosystem for the last 16 years and how that intersects with deepseek culture. It's clear openai culture is influenced by yc culture, which would be clear to an hn user. Google/ant/spacexai have influences hn users users would be familiar with. Hn users from them would potentially know the friendfeed connections to yc/vc/openai, 500 startups/techstars etc..
- Sha1rholder 1mo ago
  It *is* a small subset, but I don’t see what’s so surprising. HN is just an ordinary tech community; it’s not surprising for people from any tech company to show up there.
  - darrenf 1mo ago
    But... no-one mentioned surprise except you, did they? Something being uncommon doesn't connote being surprising, at least not always. It's uncommon for me to have takeaway pizza, but I don't think anyone I know would be surprised when I do.
    - Sha1rholder 1mo ago
      I'm pretty sure the subtext of what I commented on was that he was surprised. Your friends probably wouldn't go out of their way to ask you why you ordered a takeaway pizza which is uncommon. But if they did ask, it usually means they were surprised.
mcculley 1mo ago
Wouldn't many potential users in China be limited by the Great Firewall?
- Sha1rholder 1mo ago
  Can't find a single person in a Chinese tech company who doesn't know how to bypass GFW.
  - mcculley 1mo ago
    I am not asking about capability. Aren't there reasons to avoid the scrutiny that might accompany bypassing the Great Firewall? Doesn't this create a chilling effect? Or are you claiming that it has zero effect and citizens of China have zero concerns about using websites and speaking freely?
    - Sha1rholder 1mo ago
      > Aren't there reasons to avoid the scrutiny that might accompany bypassing the Great Firewall? One of the reasons to bypass GFW is to avoid scrutiny. > Doesn't this create a chilling effect? It doesn't. > Or are you claiming that it has zero effect and citizens of China have zero concerns about using websites and speaking freely? Not “zero”, maybe like “0.01”? Better use an anonymous account if you want to criticize on gov.
      - mcculley 1mo ago
        This has not been my experience working with Chinese citizens. They are mostly very aware that they cannot speak freely.
        Sha1rholder 1mo ago
        > They are mostly very aware that they cannot speak freely. That's correct, and as I said that's one of the reasons Chinese people bypass GFW. The last paragraph in my previous comment may not have been clear enough. What I meant was that *after bypassing GFW*, you generally have minimal concern, not *before bypassing GFW*

tianyicui 1mo ago

> Anything you think hn doesn't know about deepseek that it should? We do hire people who are currently located outside of China (say North America, Europe, or anywhere) if they're open to work in our Beijing or Hangzhou offices.

mcculley 1mo ago
I am very curious about this, not for myself, just for the geopolitical consequences. Does this mean China is making it easy for citizens of other countries to come work there?
rnewme 1mo ago
Best way to apply?
- tianyicui 1mo ago
  ning.wang@deepseek.com
big_toast 1mo ago
Ha. Fair. I admit I was angling for lore (history, culture, influences, typical coding stack, vim vs emacs vs ? distribution but I guess it’s probably more harness vs harness now...) but this definitely satisfies the question. Hope you can convince some more people join hn and answer questions on occasion. I think julius has phrased things better than me.