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>> I think they will pull ahead with cheaper tokens similar intelligence they just increased cache read from 0.30 to 0.50 - this has the biggest impact on agen

by pzo 1mo ago

>> I think they will pull ahead with cheaper tokens similar intelligence they just increased cache read from 0.30 to 0.50 - this has the biggest impact on agentic coding. Elon companies have the most expensive everything: xAI sub: $30 when other starts at $20, pro like sub for $300 where other charge $200. Expensive electric cars, powerwalls, solar roofs when competetive products/better are cheaper.

heaney-555 1mo ago
>Elon companies have the most expensive everything The Model 3 and Model Y became the highest selling EVs of all time because they were the first below $50K to have long-range and be worth buying. Until a few years ago, every other sub-$50K EV absolutely sucked.
- pzo 1mo ago
  highest selling is not same as cheap - apple also have the highest selling iphones among smartphones and they are still pretty much the most expensive (and usually not the best either these days).
- kibwen 1mo ago
  > The Model 3 and Model Y became the highest selling EVs of all time because they were the first below $50K to have long-range and be worth buying. And then Musk totally abandoned Tesla's original brilliant game plan of using the luxury models to find actual low-cost models (which $50K is not), and completely ceded the future EV market to Chinese companies that understand how to make a better car than Tesla for less money. BYD sells more cars than Tesla.
  - heaney-555 1mo ago
    >to find actual low-cost models (which $50K is not) Model 3 starts at $37K, and Model Y at $40K. They are #1 and #2 best-selling EVs of all time! So clearly they are affordable. >BYD sells more cars than Tesla. Sure, but only by 20%, and only because it also sells low-cost EVs that have less range than anything Tesla sells. If you exclude BYD EVs with lower range than any Tesla, Tesla outsells BYD by 50%. Even if you don't, second place (which Tesla still holds) is really not "completely ceded"!
    - kibwen 24d ago
      > They are #1 and #2 best-selling EVs of all time! Unlike other car manufacturers, Tesla only has the two models into which all cumulative sales numbers accrue. This is a sleight-of-hand for the emotional support of Tesla stockholders. > Sure, but only by 20%, and only because it also sells low-cost EVs that have less range than anything Tesla sells. To put it another way, Tesla wastes its time designing cars with more range than people need, which then cost too much because they have too much range.
redox99 1mo ago
The cache reads are really insanely expensive.
throw10920 1mo ago
> xAI sub: $30 when other starts at $20, pro like sub for $300 where other charge $200. This is meaningless because you're not controlling for amount of subsidized usage or model quality.

by pzo 1mo ago

heaney-555 1mo ago

>Elon companies have the most expensive everything The Model 3 and Model Y became the highest selling EVs of all time because they were the first below $50K to have long-range and be worth buying. Until a few years ago, every other sub-$50K EV absolutely sucked.

pzo 1mo ago
highest selling is not same as cheap - apple also have the highest selling iphones among smartphones and they are still pretty much the most expensive (and usually not the best either these days).
kibwen 1mo ago
> The Model 3 and Model Y became the highest selling EVs of all time because they were the first below $50K to have long-range and be worth buying. And then Musk totally abandoned Tesla's original brilliant game plan of using the luxury models to find actual low-cost models (which $50K is not), and completely ceded the future EV market to Chinese companies that understand how to make a better car than Tesla for less money. BYD sells more cars than Tesla.
- heaney-555 1mo ago
  >to find actual low-cost models (which $50K is not) Model 3 starts at $37K, and Model Y at $40K. They are #1 and #2 best-selling EVs of all time! So clearly they are affordable. >BYD sells more cars than Tesla. Sure, but only by 20%, and only because it also sells low-cost EVs that have less range than anything Tesla sells. If you exclude BYD EVs with lower range than any Tesla, Tesla outsells BYD by 50%. Even if you don't, second place (which Tesla still holds) is really not "completely ceded"!
  - kibwen 24d ago
    > They are #1 and #2 best-selling EVs of all time! Unlike other car manufacturers, Tesla only has the two models into which all cumulative sales numbers accrue. This is a sleight-of-hand for the emotional support of Tesla stockholders. > Sure, but only by 20%, and only because it also sells low-cost EVs that have less range than anything Tesla sells. To put it another way, Tesla wastes its time designing cars with more range than people need, which then cost too much because they have too much range.

redox99 1mo ago

The cache reads are really insanely expensive.

throw10920 1mo ago

> xAI sub: $30 when other starts at $20, pro like sub for $300 where other charge $200. This is meaningless because you're not controlling for amount of subsidized usage or model quality.