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You’re strawmanning the bible here, essentially. That shows the level of your ignorance. These days only ignorant and lazy people stick to purely literal and su

You’re strawmanning the bible here, essentially. That shows the level of your ignorance. These days only ignorant and lazy people stick to purely literal and surface level interpretations of the bible. Just saying. But you are here to assert your “dawkins” grade of atheism, I get it. No worries. Just don’t pretend being objective when imposing your belief system and doubting someone’s hard work. I applogize for not being perfectly clear with my words.

angoragoats 1mo ago
> You’re strawmanning the bible here, essentially. No, I don't think I am. What, specifically, do you think I am strawmanning? > These days only ignorant and lazy people stick to purely literal and surface level interpretations of the bible. I think it is clear from my previous response that I have done more than "literal and surface level interpretations" of the bible. But if you believe I haven't done enough, then it's on you to somehow show that, for example, Exodus 21 isn't actually telling the story of how God himself gave specific instructions for the proper way to do chattel slavery, and that it means something other than what countless scholars who have come before us agree that it says. Also, in the future, please be specific about which of my statements are wrong and why, and stop throwing around baseless insults. > But you are here to assert your “dawkins” grade of atheism I have no idea what you mean by this. > Just don’t pretend being objective when imposing your belief system and doubting someone’s hard work. I genuinely believe I am being objective. Please don't assert that you know things about my mental state when you don't. I don't have a "belief system" other than that I believe things that can be empirically shown to be true with a level of evidence commensurate to the claim. If you think that is something that can be "imposed" on others via an internet comment, I can only say in response that I support your right to believe whatever you want to believe, but you also need to suck it up if people call out those beliefs as illogical or unfounded. I was not doubting anyone's hard work.
- aristofun 1mo ago
  Can you empirically show that your consciousness exists? How can you then be so confident it is objective? Or prove that objective laws of math and logic exist?
  - angoragoats 1mo ago
    So you’re just going to mostly ignore my response and change the subject to something different, and philosophy 101-level questions at that. Very typical. Regardless, I’d be happy to answer them as soon as you address the questions and comments in my reply. “Always be ready to make your defence to anyone who demands from you an account of the hope that is in you” 1 Peter 3:15
    - aristofun 1mo ago
      I'm not interested in debating you. Just showing that your main belief is at least as irrational and arbitrary as your implied cartoon version of the bible based belief system (because you can't possibly prove or justify it by your own "evidence" standards). And your comments do impose (even if unintentionally and subtly) this belief system as something more worthy of someone's time. Which is a) not rational => not objective as I just showed b) therefore it looks very arrogant and ignorant (if you don't like word "dumb", I apologize). Case closed.
      - angoragoats 1mo ago
        > I'm not interested in debating you. Then don’t reply to my comment. > Just showing that your main belief is at least as irrational and arbitrary as your implied cartoon version of the bible based belief system What is my “main belief,” and what does it have to do with consciousness and whatever other unrelated topics you raised? I did not imply any “cartoon version of the bible based belief system.” If you disagree, please show where I did, and specifically what I implied that is a “cartoon version.” Case closed.
        aristofun 1mo ago
        > What is my “main belief,” couple comments before: > I don't have a "belief system" other than that I believe things that can be empirically shown to be true with a level of evidence commensurate to the claim.

angoragoats 1mo ago

> You’re strawmanning the bible here, essentially. No, I don't think I am. What, specifically, do you think I am strawmanning? > These days only ignorant and lazy people stick to purely literal and surface level interpretations of the bible. I think it is clear from my previous response that I have done more than "literal and surface level interpretations" of the bible. But if you believe I haven't done enough, then it's on you to somehow show that, for example, Exodus 21 isn't actually telling the story of how God himself gave specific instructions for the proper way to do chattel slavery, and that it means something other than what countless scholars who have come before us agree that it says. Also, in the future, please be specific about which of my statements are wrong and why, and stop throwing around baseless insults. > But you are here to assert your “dawkins” grade of atheism I have no idea what you mean by this. > Just don’t pretend being objective when imposing your belief system and doubting someone’s hard work. I genuinely believe I am being objective. Please don't assert that you know things about my mental state when you don't. I don't have a "belief system" other than that I believe things that can be empirically shown to be true with a level of evidence commensurate to the claim. If you think that is something that can be "imposed" on others via an internet comment, I can only say in response that I support your right to believe whatever you want to believe, but you also need to suck it up if people call out those beliefs as illogical or unfounded. I was not doubting anyone's hard work.

aristofun 1mo ago
Can you empirically show that your consciousness exists? How can you then be so confident it is objective? Or prove that objective laws of math and logic exist?
- angoragoats 1mo ago
  So you’re just going to mostly ignore my response and change the subject to something different, and philosophy 101-level questions at that. Very typical. Regardless, I’d be happy to answer them as soon as you address the questions and comments in my reply. “Always be ready to make your defence to anyone who demands from you an account of the hope that is in you” 1 Peter 3:15
  - aristofun 1mo ago
    I'm not interested in debating you. Just showing that your main belief is at least as irrational and arbitrary as your implied cartoon version of the bible based belief system (because you can't possibly prove or justify it by your own "evidence" standards). And your comments do impose (even if unintentionally and subtly) this belief system as something more worthy of someone's time. Which is a) not rational => not objective as I just showed b) therefore it looks very arrogant and ignorant (if you don't like word "dumb", I apologize). Case closed.
    - angoragoats 1mo ago
      > I'm not interested in debating you. Then don’t reply to my comment. > Just showing that your main belief is at least as irrational and arbitrary as your implied cartoon version of the bible based belief system What is my “main belief,” and what does it have to do with consciousness and whatever other unrelated topics you raised? I did not imply any “cartoon version of the bible based belief system.” If you disagree, please show where I did, and specifically what I implied that is a “cartoon version.” Case closed.
      - aristofun 1mo ago
        > What is my “main belief,” couple comments before: > I don't have a "belief system" other than that I believe things that can be empirically shown to be true with a level of evidence commensurate to the claim.