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> If they charge by the token, all your tokens are belong to you I’m not sure this argument is correct. You can sign whatever contract you like with the model
by articulatepang 1mo ago
> If they charge by the token, all your tokens are belong to you
I’m not sure this argument is correct. You can sign whatever contract you like with the model provider, right? Including “you are entitled to the end product but not the intermediate scratch work”?
Coming from a place of genuine curiosity: is there some precedent or statute that would invalidate that contract? I don’t see why the reasoning tokens belong to you.
For example, I pay lawyers by the hour but don’t necessarily own their meeting minutes, recorded discussions, research notes, etc.
- NitpickLawyer 1mo agoSure, but the current one is charged per token in & token out. Not per completion / task / hour / whatever. You can't charge per token and then say "you stole that token". Again, they can unilaterally decide not to sell you tokens anymore, at any time, for any (legal) reason. But as it stands right now, it can't be stealing.
- blackqueeriroh 1mo agoRead the TOS. It can absolutely be stealing. Are you a lawyer?
- NitpickLawyer 1mo agoBreaking a platform's ToS is a civil contract violation, not a criminal offence. Stealing is. Potato, avocado.
- articulatepang 1mo agoAgain, I’m genuinely curious: can’t two parties sign a contract that says “you pay for all tokens required to produce the answer, but you only get the final answer tokens”? My understanding of US law is that there’s nothing in logic or precedent that makes such a contract unenforceable. As for whether it’s “stealing”: they might be able to press charges under federal Trade Secret Theft laws, I’m not sure. But I’m not seeing how you can be so very very certain that it’s at best a civil violation of contract. What’s the reason for your confidence that a judge would never find this to be trade secret theft or economic espionage?