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Jean Charles de Menezes never got as far as being arrested. The police observed him enter an Underground station, followed him onto a tube train, and put seven

Jean Charles de Menezes never got as far as being arrested. The police observed him enter an Underground station, followed him onto a tube train, and put seven bullets into his head. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Jean_Charles_de_Menezes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Jean_Charles_de_Men...

mattlondon 1mo ago
Perhaps facial recognition would have saved him? It's not like humans are 100% accurate as this demonstrates
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- andyjohnson0 1mo ago
  Or perhaps facial recognition would leave even less time for decision making. Someone who's face resembles that of a known terrorist was detected entering the station 8 seconds ago. He's carrying a backpack and will be on a crowded platform in 37 seconds time. There are armed police in the ticket hall. What do you do? Only 31 seconds now...
  - snozolli 1mo ago
    What do you do? Walk up and place him under arrest. He might have a bomb. He might have a trigger for it, or he might have a dead-man's switch. It might detonate and kill you along with bystanders. That's a risk you take. Unless you know with certainty that he has a bomb and does not have a dead man's switch, you don't just take his life because you're concerned about what-ifs. It's no different than cops killing a man because he was holding a wallet, which they imagined might be a gun (e.g. Amadou Diallo). Police need to stop pretending that they exist within fiction, where the outcome is known by the author. Just because you're afraid of something doesn't mean it's an actual threat. Since 2001, there's been a real uptick in confusing fear and suspicion for evidence and knowledge.
  - Silhouette 1mo ago
    There are armed police in the ticket hall. What do you do? Only 31 seconds now... Is the suspect black? (I'm asking this because there is evidence suggesting current facial recognition technology is less accurate at matching faces from some demographics, including black people. Why, what did you think I meant?)
    - mattlondon 1mo ago
      Is this still an issue though? I'm not saying it isn't an issue, but this has been widely cited for years now and I find it hard to believe something hasn't been done about that.

mattlondon 1mo ago

Perhaps facial recognition would have saved him? It's not like humans are 100% accurate as this demonstrates

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andyjohnson0 1mo ago
Or perhaps facial recognition would leave even less time for decision making. Someone who's face resembles that of a known terrorist was detected entering the station 8 seconds ago. He's carrying a backpack and will be on a crowded platform in 37 seconds time. There are armed police in the ticket hall. What do you do? Only 31 seconds now...
- snozolli 1mo ago
  What do you do? Walk up and place him under arrest. He might have a bomb. He might have a trigger for it, or he might have a dead-man's switch. It might detonate and kill you along with bystanders. That's a risk you take. Unless you know with certainty that he has a bomb and does not have a dead man's switch, you don't just take his life because you're concerned about what-ifs. It's no different than cops killing a man because he was holding a wallet, which they imagined might be a gun (e.g. Amadou Diallo). Police need to stop pretending that they exist within fiction, where the outcome is known by the author. Just because you're afraid of something doesn't mean it's an actual threat. Since 2001, there's been a real uptick in confusing fear and suspicion for evidence and knowledge.
- Silhouette 1mo ago
  There are armed police in the ticket hall. What do you do? Only 31 seconds now... Is the suspect black? (I'm asking this because there is evidence suggesting current facial recognition technology is less accurate at matching faces from some demographics, including black people. Why, what did you think I meant?)
  - mattlondon 1mo ago
    Is this still an issue though? I'm not saying it isn't an issue, but this has been widely cited for years now and I find it hard to believe something hasn't been done about that.