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Most countries have these no call lists but they are fairly useless as there is no enforcement. I've even heard stories of some scammers exclusively using such

Most countries have these no call lists but they are fairly useless as there is no enforcement. I've even heard stories of some scammers exclusively using such lists, as they are pre-verified!

embedding-shape 1mo ago
> Most countries have these no call lists but they are fairly useless as there is no enforcement What country are you in that it doesn't work in? I know for a fact it works in Spain and Sweden, but it'll really depend on the country. You'd help by others by being a bit more explicit :) > I've even heard stories of some scammers exclusively using such lists, as they are pre-verified! That does suck and seems counter-productive indeed! Even more curious what exact country you're talking about now.
- rightbyte 1mo ago
  It works versus serious companies cold calling you. Scammers and semi-scammers still call. There is some need to adress what it doesn't solve too.
  - embedding-shape 1mo ago
    Dude, what country? In Spain or Sweden, I literally don't receive any calls from unknowns anymore, scammers nor telemarketing. Please specify the country so we can know what country you're talking about, and what the name of the list you enrolled in is. Worth knowing for people who might not know; large telemarketing companies have campaigns on the internet to spread FUD about the effectiveness of these lists, so less people enroll. I'm not claiming that you is one of these, but unless we're being clear what lists/countries we're talking about here, it's borderline FUD rather than helpful to the conversation.
    - edgyquant 1mo ago
      Most people here are American, and your reply comes off as standoffish
      - embedding-shape 1mo ago
        > Most people here are American Whaaaat? On a American website, driven by a American VC company, are you sure? That has nothing to do with anything in the conversation... If someone talks about "Most countries" they're not actually talking about some percentage of countries in the world generally, they're specifically talking about "most countries I know about", so when people start being fuzzy about those sort of details, it'd help all of us (not the ones from specific countries) actually understand what's going on and where. For all we know, they could be talking about India, especially since I've already added non-US context with my previous comment they themselves responded to...
    - nemomarx 1mo ago
      why do you assume Spain and Sweden are representative and not the US or Canada? I'm curious how many people live in countries with effective versions of this list vs not in either case instead of a do not call list, they should be banned completely from calling any number in the country. you could do it by prefix if you wanted to still use the list mechanically, maybe? But the only reason I see for an opt in list is to allow the marketing companies to still exist
      - embedding-shape 1mo ago
        > why do you assume Spain and Sweden are representative and not the US or Canada? ... I don't? I'm just want to know what country ferngodfather is talking about, as I'm sure the experience differs a lot by country, made evident by countless of comments in this submission. > in either case instead of a do not call list, they should be banned completely from calling any number in the country. I don't disagree with this, but for people suffering from these daily spam calls today, there might be ways to fix that, in a shorter time-frame than "petition the government, then propose a law, then get the law into agreement, then get the law into effect". If we're being clear about what countries people are talking about, there wouldn't be so much FUD about the subject.
    - jaapz 1mo ago
      You think scammers don't call you because you are on the opt-in no-call list? These are not good faith actors, they don't care you're on a list.
      - embedding-shape 1mo ago
        I don't get scam calls, period. I don't think I never gotten scam calls either, and I my personal phone number is findable on the internet + every single email I send, been for decades at this point. Maybe 5-6 years ago and before that, I used to get a lot of sales and telemarketing phone calls though, both from foreign and local landline and mobile phone numbers. Once I was on the list, and started just saying the name of the list, the calls eventually died down and today, I don't get a single spam call.
      - amoss 1mo ago
        I'm on the Swedish list and I get exactly zero spam calls. As the parent post pointed out it is country specific.
    - Kon5ole 1mo ago
      >unless we're being clear what lists/countries we're talking about here, it's borderline FUD rather than helpful to the conversation. Why would a no-call list work well in one country but not others? I don't get it. At least explain what makes them work in Spain or Sweden if you are convinced they are the reason you don't get calls? I think what you have noticed is that the GDPR made it harder for legitimate companies to cold-call all over the EU. But even the GDPR doesn't stop scammers, and neither does any no-call list. Not in any country. We're all on the "please don't rob me" list and robberies are still a thing.
      - embedding-shape 1mo ago
        > Why would a no-call list work well in one country but not others? I don't get it. At least explain what makes them work in Spain or Sweden if you are convinced they are the reason you don't get calls? My parent (or parent-parent) comment made this clear, why a list in one country might work but in others not: > I think in both countries these methods are supported by actual laws, one via "advertising-exclusion systems" that the companies need to respect, and in Sweden via the Swedish Marketing Act which forces companies to not call people who've "clearly objected to that method" or something similar. I'm sure similar laws and lists exists in other countries too. If there is no law about it, and no enforcement, then obviously such list would work less effectively than in countries where it is supported by a law somehow, and it is enforced. > I think what you have noticed is that the GDPR made it harder for legitimate companies to cold-call all over the EU It has not, why would GDPR have an effect on the telemarketing companies, especially trans-EU ones? They're properly registered as controllers (otherwise they'd be shut down), and added more controls around the data they store. GDPR doesn't outlaw storing data, just controls how companies do so.
        Kon5ole 1mo ago
        >It has not, why would GDPR have an effect on the telemarketing companies The GDPR has fines up to 4% of the company's turnover if they contact people without consent or prior business reasons. If that doesn't work, then a "please don't call me" list where there are basically no consequences sure as hell won't.
- reaperducer 1mo ago
  What country are you in that it doesn't work in? Maybe he's in France, since this article is about France having to ban all telemarketing calls since the block lists apparently don't work. Don't let your regional indignation get in the way of doing basic logic.
  - embedding-shape 1mo ago
    > Maybe he's in France, since this article is about France having to ban all telemarketing calls since the block lists apparently don't work. How on earth am I supposed to assume they live in France, just because that's in the submission article? Conversations in the comments regularly go beyond the scope of the article, and even the commentator themselves said "Most countries" so clearly they're talking about more than just one.
- edgyquant 1mo ago
  I think in America at least the problem is most of these seem to be scams calls not legitimate. So they are criminals who don’t really care about the law
- HappySweeney 1mo ago
  In Canada that list is used by foreign telemarketers to spam us. Our enforcement authorities just shrug and say the criminals are not in our jurisdiction. That being said, my phone is pretty good at stopping it.
- Kon5ole 1mo ago
  >I know for a fact it works in Spain and Sweden How do you know that a call that never reaches you was stopped by the no-call list as opposed to your number not being on the list of numbers to call today?
  - embedding-shape 1mo ago
    Me and others used to receive almost daily telemarketing calls. Once you enroll in the list and get the confirmation, you notice a drastic reduction in calls, and get maybe 2-3 per month. If you at that point start saying that you're on $NAME_OF_LIST to the companies who do still call, they say sorry, hang up, and you get less calls faster. This been the experience for 10+ people and myself who've used to get these calls, and no longer do. The way the companies manage the lists, is basically that they have three types, they have huge unranked/unchecked lists of just numbers, one list of "good" numbers that are at least online, not on do-not-call lists, haven't recently been sold to already, and so on, then the group of blacklists essentially. Whenever the telemarketers work in their stations, the only numbers that even get dialed by the central robot for them, are the "good" numbers they've been assigned for their shift.
- contubernio 1mo ago
  In Spain I have recently been getting far more robo scam calls. New several a week.
  - embedding-shape 1mo ago
    Are you on Lista Robinson, checked it's updated with your details and say "Estoy en Lista Robinson" if they call you?
plastic_bag 1mo ago
Not true. DND works great in India. You can also report a spam call or an SMS and your mobile network provider has to provide a resolution. They usually do it by banning that abusing number. DND is available both on Android and iOS.
- RHSeeger 1mo ago
  But don't they just "call" from a different number? Or a random number each time? There's no real verification on the number being called from - its specified _by_ the caller a lot of the time. So unless the phone company starts banning phone companies that don't enforce correct caller id, it won't do anything.
  - embedding-shape 1mo ago
    > So unless the phone company starts banning phone companies that don't enforce correct caller id, it won't do anything. But it evidently does do something, since now it's confirmed in these threads that at least 4 (possibly) more countries do have these lists, and they do work.

Most countries have these no call lists but they are fairly useless as there is no enforcement. I've even heard stories of some scammers exclusively using such lists, as they are pre-verified!

embedding-shape 1mo ago

> Most countries have these no call lists but they are fairly useless as there is no enforcement What country are you in that it doesn't work in? I know for a fact it works in Spain and Sweden, but it'll really depend on the country. You'd help by others by being a bit more explicit :) > I've even heard stories of some scammers exclusively using such lists, as they are pre-verified! That does suck and seems counter-productive indeed! Even more curious what exact country you're talking about now.

rightbyte 1mo ago
It works versus serious companies cold calling you. Scammers and semi-scammers still call. There is some need to adress what it doesn't solve too.
- embedding-shape 1mo ago
  Dude, what country? In Spain or Sweden, I literally don't receive any calls from unknowns anymore, scammers nor telemarketing. Please specify the country so we can know what country you're talking about, and what the name of the list you enrolled in is. Worth knowing for people who might not know; large telemarketing companies have campaigns on the internet to spread FUD about the effectiveness of these lists, so less people enroll. I'm not claiming that you is one of these, but unless we're being clear what lists/countries we're talking about here, it's borderline FUD rather than helpful to the conversation.
  - edgyquant 1mo ago
    Most people here are American, and your reply comes off as standoffish
    - embedding-shape 1mo ago
      > Most people here are American Whaaaat? On a American website, driven by a American VC company, are you sure? That has nothing to do with anything in the conversation... If someone talks about "Most countries" they're not actually talking about some percentage of countries in the world generally, they're specifically talking about "most countries I know about", so when people start being fuzzy about those sort of details, it'd help all of us (not the ones from specific countries) actually understand what's going on and where. For all we know, they could be talking about India, especially since I've already added non-US context with my previous comment they themselves responded to...
  - nemomarx 1mo ago
    why do you assume Spain and Sweden are representative and not the US or Canada? I'm curious how many people live in countries with effective versions of this list vs not in either case instead of a do not call list, they should be banned completely from calling any number in the country. you could do it by prefix if you wanted to still use the list mechanically, maybe? But the only reason I see for an opt in list is to allow the marketing companies to still exist
    - embedding-shape 1mo ago
      > why do you assume Spain and Sweden are representative and not the US or Canada? ... I don't? I'm just want to know what country ferngodfather is talking about, as I'm sure the experience differs a lot by country, made evident by countless of comments in this submission. > in either case instead of a do not call list, they should be banned completely from calling any number in the country. I don't disagree with this, but for people suffering from these daily spam calls today, there might be ways to fix that, in a shorter time-frame than "petition the government, then propose a law, then get the law into agreement, then get the law into effect". If we're being clear about what countries people are talking about, there wouldn't be so much FUD about the subject.
  - jaapz 1mo ago
    You think scammers don't call you because you are on the opt-in no-call list? These are not good faith actors, they don't care you're on a list.
    - embedding-shape 1mo ago
      I don't get scam calls, period. I don't think I never gotten scam calls either, and I my personal phone number is findable on the internet + every single email I send, been for decades at this point. Maybe 5-6 years ago and before that, I used to get a lot of sales and telemarketing phone calls though, both from foreign and local landline and mobile phone numbers. Once I was on the list, and started just saying the name of the list, the calls eventually died down and today, I don't get a single spam call.
    - amoss 1mo ago
      I'm on the Swedish list and I get exactly zero spam calls. As the parent post pointed out it is country specific.
  - Kon5ole 1mo ago
    >unless we're being clear what lists/countries we're talking about here, it's borderline FUD rather than helpful to the conversation. Why would a no-call list work well in one country but not others? I don't get it. At least explain what makes them work in Spain or Sweden if you are convinced they are the reason you don't get calls? I think what you have noticed is that the GDPR made it harder for legitimate companies to cold-call all over the EU. But even the GDPR doesn't stop scammers, and neither does any no-call list. Not in any country. We're all on the "please don't rob me" list and robberies are still a thing.
    - embedding-shape 1mo ago
      > Why would a no-call list work well in one country but not others? I don't get it. At least explain what makes them work in Spain or Sweden if you are convinced they are the reason you don't get calls? My parent (or parent-parent) comment made this clear, why a list in one country might work but in others not: > I think in both countries these methods are supported by actual laws, one via "advertising-exclusion systems" that the companies need to respect, and in Sweden via the Swedish Marketing Act which forces companies to not call people who've "clearly objected to that method" or something similar. I'm sure similar laws and lists exists in other countries too. If there is no law about it, and no enforcement, then obviously such list would work less effectively than in countries where it is supported by a law somehow, and it is enforced. > I think what you have noticed is that the GDPR made it harder for legitimate companies to cold-call all over the EU It has not, why would GDPR have an effect on the telemarketing companies, especially trans-EU ones? They're properly registered as controllers (otherwise they'd be shut down), and added more controls around the data they store. GDPR doesn't outlaw storing data, just controls how companies do so.
      - Kon5ole 1mo ago
        >It has not, why would GDPR have an effect on the telemarketing companies The GDPR has fines up to 4% of the company's turnover if they contact people without consent or prior business reasons. If that doesn't work, then a "please don't call me" list where there are basically no consequences sure as hell won't.
reaperducer 1mo ago
What country are you in that it doesn't work in? Maybe he's in France, since this article is about France having to ban all telemarketing calls since the block lists apparently don't work. Don't let your regional indignation get in the way of doing basic logic.
- embedding-shape 1mo ago
  > Maybe he's in France, since this article is about France having to ban all telemarketing calls since the block lists apparently don't work. How on earth am I supposed to assume they live in France, just because that's in the submission article? Conversations in the comments regularly go beyond the scope of the article, and even the commentator themselves said "Most countries" so clearly they're talking about more than just one.
edgyquant 1mo ago
I think in America at least the problem is most of these seem to be scams calls not legitimate. So they are criminals who don’t really care about the law
HappySweeney 1mo ago
In Canada that list is used by foreign telemarketers to spam us. Our enforcement authorities just shrug and say the criminals are not in our jurisdiction. That being said, my phone is pretty good at stopping it.
Kon5ole 1mo ago
>I know for a fact it works in Spain and Sweden How do you know that a call that never reaches you was stopped by the no-call list as opposed to your number not being on the list of numbers to call today?
- embedding-shape 1mo ago
  Me and others used to receive almost daily telemarketing calls. Once you enroll in the list and get the confirmation, you notice a drastic reduction in calls, and get maybe 2-3 per month. If you at that point start saying that you're on $NAME_OF_LIST to the companies who do still call, they say sorry, hang up, and you get less calls faster. This been the experience for 10+ people and myself who've used to get these calls, and no longer do. The way the companies manage the lists, is basically that they have three types, they have huge unranked/unchecked lists of just numbers, one list of "good" numbers that are at least online, not on do-not-call lists, haven't recently been sold to already, and so on, then the group of blacklists essentially. Whenever the telemarketers work in their stations, the only numbers that even get dialed by the central robot for them, are the "good" numbers they've been assigned for their shift.
contubernio 1mo ago
In Spain I have recently been getting far more robo scam calls. New several a week.
- embedding-shape 1mo ago
  Are you on Lista Robinson, checked it's updated with your details and say "Estoy en Lista Robinson" if they call you?

plastic_bag 1mo ago

Not true. DND works great in India. You can also report a spam call or an SMS and your mobile network provider has to provide a resolution. They usually do it by banning that abusing number. DND is available both on Android and iOS.

RHSeeger 1mo ago
But don't they just "call" from a different number? Or a random number each time? There's no real verification on the number being called from - its specified _by_ the caller a lot of the time. So unless the phone company starts banning phone companies that don't enforce correct caller id, it won't do anything.
- embedding-shape 1mo ago
  > So unless the phone company starts banning phone companies that don't enforce correct caller id, it won't do anything. But it evidently does do something, since now it's confirmed in these threads that at least 4 (possibly) more countries do have these lists, and they do work.