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I feel this was already a severe problem pre-AI. From what I hear from my partner (in university administration), nearly half the students demand accomodations

I feel this was already a severe problem pre-AI. From what I hear from my partner (in university administration), nearly half the students demand accomodations for disabilities. Many of those conditions are very difficult to falsify It doesn't feel good, but at some point we have to ask, can we support every single case, at the expense of the whole? I'd like to be convinced that's not a necessary tradeoff

moffkalast 1mo ago
I don't think it's that bad yet, but it's certainly on its way there. We're like at this intersection of lots of conditions that previously weren't documented becoming actual diagnoses, that pulling along a lot of peer-pressure kind of trendiness to have some kind of fault that makes you more unique, and the practicality of a system that was designed to give massive benefits to rare exceptions, for which now so many easily qualify on paper. The list of conditions that qualify for what will most likely have to be redone completely from scratch.
cpburns2009 1mo ago
What I don't get is why we disadvantage everyone who's honest. Just give everyone extra time to level the playing field.
- bonoboTP 1mo ago
  If you give it to everyone, it's not "extra", is it? It's just a longer exam.
  - cpburns2009 1mo ago
    That's precisely the point. Stop giving people unfair advantages.
    - bonoboTP 1mo ago
      Well, the prevailing wisdom is that these accommodations improve fairness. To confront that way of seeing things is an uphill battle in the current intellectual environment.
      - cpburns2009 1mo ago
        I know it's a losing battle. The way I see it is if you're not going to test performance under pressure, give everyone as much time as they want (within reason). If you want a fair stress test, don't discriminate and give special privileges.
        bonoboTP 1mo ago
        Well, they don't see it as privileges, but accommodations for a health condition. The measurement method needs to be adjusted when the health condition is present, to make the same kind of determination about the acquired knowledge. Experts have likely written expert publications about this being like this and hence it is The Science.

moffkalast 1mo ago

I don't think it's that bad yet, but it's certainly on its way there. We're like at this intersection of lots of conditions that previously weren't documented becoming actual diagnoses, that pulling along a lot of peer-pressure kind of trendiness to have some kind of fault that makes you more unique, and the practicality of a system that was designed to give massive benefits to rare exceptions, for which now so many easily qualify on paper. The list of conditions that qualify for what will most likely have to be redone completely from scratch.

cpburns2009 1mo ago

What I don't get is why we disadvantage everyone who's honest. Just give everyone extra time to level the playing field.

bonoboTP 1mo ago
If you give it to everyone, it's not "extra", is it? It's just a longer exam.
- cpburns2009 1mo ago
  That's precisely the point. Stop giving people unfair advantages.
  - bonoboTP 1mo ago
    Well, the prevailing wisdom is that these accommodations improve fairness. To confront that way of seeing things is an uphill battle in the current intellectual environment.
    - cpburns2009 1mo ago
      I know it's a losing battle. The way I see it is if you're not going to test performance under pressure, give everyone as much time as they want (within reason). If you want a fair stress test, don't discriminate and give special privileges.
      - bonoboTP 1mo ago
        Well, they don't see it as privileges, but accommodations for a health condition. The measurement method needs to be adjusted when the health condition is present, to make the same kind of determination about the acquired knowledge. Experts have likely written expert publications about this being like this and hence it is The Science.