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> your data can still be forcibly pulled and often without you being aware that this happened as a german i feel the urge to point out that this technically al
by ffsm8 1mo ago
> your data can still be forcibly pulled and often without you being aware that this happened
as a german i feel the urge to point out that this technically also applies to european companies...
With more hurdles for the US, but still technically applicable
- usernomdeguerre 1mo agoTrue, I think the calculus is more about who you think is more trustworthy than what tools they have to damage you.
- slow_typist 1mo agoEspecially if European companies have an office and significant share of customers in the US.
- jacquesm 1mo agoThat's true but the EU still has a - mostly - functioning legal system. See 'Schrems' and other lawsuits that came out as they should have.
- perks_12 1mo agoTake a look at how they play with regards to chat control. The EU is just the same corrupt BS like D.C., only with a lot more virtue signaling.
- DavideNL 1mo agoWhat you do is called "black-and-white thinking" : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_(psychology)?useskin=vector https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_(psychology)?useskin...
- jacquesm 1mo agoSorry, I don't agree with that. The amount of corruption in the USA right now is simply off the scale.
- sneak 1mo agoNah, it’s just more visible. It’s not that much of a sea change. And it’s ridiculously naive to pretend that the major countries in Europe don’t have their own mechanisms to regularly and effectively bypass any democratic inconveniences when necessary. They regularly push through things that no constituent would ever want or vote for.
- Lio 1mo agoTrump just dropped the part of his lawsuit against the BBC where he claimed it damaged his business because he would have to expose what his business is. The Trump regime a way more corrupt than anything currently seen in Europe. He currently attempting to steal Greenland so he can strip it of mineral assets for fucks sack. No politician in Europe is starting wars for personal gain. Only Trump and Putin. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly5wyynv9zo https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly5wyynv9zo
- nalekberov 1mo ago[flagged]
- fragmede 1mo ago> No politician in Europe is starting wars for personal gain. Isn't that that basically the history of Europe? A short French or German or English or Roman dude starting a war for personal gain?
- inigyou 1mo agoNot recently though. Unless you count Putin.
- Lio 1mo agoThat's the history of every country and every empire, not just Europe. Is that the standard we're holding Trump to though? Do you really think it's OK for him to invade other countries for personal enrichment because historic tyrants also did the same?
- sscaryterry 1mo agoNot nearly the same thing. Trump and his family have made billions. I cannot say the same of von der Leyen.
- carlosjobim 1mo agoWhich of those two leaders were elected by the people?
- benj111 1mo agoSo? If you're directly elected by the people you can behave how you damn well please? Except trump isn't because you have the electoral college. I live in the UK, on paper we have an absolutely terrible version of democracy. No constitution, and un elected head of state. Compared to pre pull out Afghanistan it sucks. And yet we are still here. Perfect on paper democracy isn't the be all and end all. It's about institutional culture. The EU has a much better democratic culture than the US does.
- hamper653 1mo agoAmerican presidents are notoriously not elected by the people.
- izacus 1mo agoCertainly Van Der Leyen. I suggest you show up for next EU election if you don't like the option.
- izacus 1mo agoA parliamentary process where a law is being proposed, amended and voted upon isn't "corruption". Just because you disagree with a law, that doesn't make it "corruption" - it does make you an authoritarian that attacks democracy as soon as other people don't vote like you want.
- hulitu 1mo ago> A parliamentary process where a law is being proposed, amended and voted upon isn't "corruption". If the law is initiated by the parliament and not by some company through lobby. Lobby is corruption.
- inigyou 1mo agoChat control 1 was rejected by the parliament and then passed anyway because parliament doesn't matter. Hardly democratic.
- izacus 1mo agoThat's a lie - chat control was amended and then passed via parliament vote. Please stop spreading fabrications - even when you dislike the result. That's fascist behaviour.
- inigyou 1mo agoThe majority of parliamentarians voted against it. This was considered a pass, because it didn't meet some arbitrary threshold to block it.
- izacus 1mo agoWith 276 MEPs in favor. Vote them out in 2029 if you want to change that.
- inigyou 1mo agoAnd 314 voted against. "Chat control 1" is the deliberately misleading name for "Facebook is not banned from using CSAM scanners on your DMs if it wants to" - I don't think it's worth voting someone out based on that. The one that bans encryption is called "chat control 2". I assume they've both got the same name as part of a deception tactic.
- inigyou 1mo agoChat control 1 or 2?
- throwawayffffas 1mo agoI am almost positive things are not the way they were and requests for data access especially if the subjects background is "suspect" are more highly scrutinized. And as the Americans are choosing to interfere in European domestic politics and trample their own laws and constitution the more scrutiny their requests will get.
- yieldcrv 1mo agoeuropeans like it more when just european governments are doing it