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> My initial thought was to sign up for ChatGPT, but I had $20 in OpenRouter so I've been trying out DeepSeek V4 Pro with Pi for the last few days and I gotta s

> My initial thought was to sign up for ChatGPT, but I had $20 in OpenRouter so I've been trying out DeepSeek V4 Pro with Pi for the last few days and I gotta say, it's good enough for my use case If you prefer subscriptions, OpenCode Go ($10/mo), Cline Pass ($10/mo), Atlas Code ($20/mo), and CommandCode ($1/mo) serve some of the best open weights with generous limits. OpenCode Go currently offers $120 for $10 on DeepSeek Flash v4 (if you're okay with data retention).

kzrdude 1mo ago
Just trying to understand, https://opencode.ai/docs/go/#privacy https://opencode.ai/docs/go/#privacy currently says DeepSeek V4 Flash has 0 days data retention. > DeepSeek V4 Flash: ZDR agreement is renewed monthly. The current agreement is valid through August 31, 2026. Is there other info I should be aware of w.r.t data retention with opencode go? It's hosted in China, so other middlemen may be active (I doubt it, but possible)?
- anon373839 1mo ago
  Yes. There is a big question mark about whether Anomaly itself (as the OpenCode Go middleman) retains data. The docs were completely silent on this the last time I checked.
  - 0xbadcafebee 1mo ago
    According to this code (https://github.com/anomalyco/opencode/blob/dev/packages/console/app/src/routes/go/index.tsx https://github.com/anomalyco/opencode/blob/dev/packages/cons...) only Grok and Luna have 30-day retention, the rest have 0-day retention. Of their legal documents, none mention data retention for anything other than personal data. The exception is if you '/share' which explicitly gives them your session to share over the web with others.
    - anon373839 1mo ago
      I haven’t looked at their docs in a little while but they were very precise in saying that the providers follow a zero data retention policy. But Opencode Go proxies the requests, right? I never saw a statement in the legal docs that would limit Anomaly’s right to retain the data passing through.
      - deleted 1mo ago
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- WarmWash 1mo ago
  If it's hosted in China, they can tell you whatever you want to hear and do whatever they want to do. What are you going to do? Take a CCP company in front of a CCP judge?
  - jacquesm 1mo ago
    They can do the same thing in the US. What are you going to do, sue OpenAI or Anthropic?
    - WarmWash 1mo ago
      Well, yes, because the courts and the AI labs are totally separate entities. If they are doing it to you, they are probably doing it to others, which makes an easy class action
      - filterfish 1mo ago
        Is any class action lawsuit "easy"?
        WarmWash 1mo ago
        They lawyers do all the leg work (and keep most of the money), but from the defendant POV it all looks the same.
    - resonious 1mo ago
      Anthropic paid out a lot of money for the copyrighted material they used. (not commenting on whether it was a fair amount - just saying these companies are not immune to lawsuits)
  - DiogenesKynikos 1mo ago
    You probably could sue them if they really did store your information without your consent. It would be a hassle, but China does have privacy laws. Companies do get sued for violating them.[0] 0. https://www.chinajusticeobserver.com/a/china%E2%80%99s-top-court-defines-legal-boundaries-for-data-rights https://www.chinajusticeobserver.com/a/china%E2%80%99s-top-c...
- 0xbadcafebee 1mo ago
  OpenCode Go does not send any inference to China unless you go into settings and manually select 'Enable models hosted in China'.
- ignoramous 1mo ago
  That's a recent addition I wasn't aware of. Thanks. Previously, OpenCode docs claimed they had no agreement with DeepSeek on data retention for training. Even more previously, OpenCode said they used providers based in US/EU/Singapore (which they no longer do so).
apitman 1mo ago
> OpenCode Go currently offers $120 for $10 on DeepSeek Flash v4 At DeepSeek's absurdly low rates or market rates?
- ignoramous 1mo ago
  OpenCode (used to [0]?) buys inference from DeepSeek for DeepSeek models, and their $ rates reflect that: https://opencode.ai/docs/go/#usage-limits https://opencode.ai/docs/go/#usage-limits Careful with using OpenCode's accounting for DeepSeek v4 Pro, though: https://github.com/anomalyco/opencode/issues/39822 https://github.com/anomalyco/opencode/issues/39822 [0] https://github.com/anomalyco/opencode/issues/39857 https://github.com/anomalyco/opencode/issues/39857

kzrdude 1mo ago

Just trying to understand, https://opencode.ai/docs/go/#privacy https://opencode.ai/docs/go/#privacy currently says DeepSeek V4 Flash has 0 days data retention. > DeepSeek V4 Flash: ZDR agreement is renewed monthly. The current agreement is valid through August 31, 2026. Is there other info I should be aware of w.r.t data retention with opencode go? It's hosted in China, so other middlemen may be active (I doubt it, but possible)?

anon373839 1mo ago
Yes. There is a big question mark about whether Anomaly itself (as the OpenCode Go middleman) retains data. The docs were completely silent on this the last time I checked.
- 0xbadcafebee 1mo ago
  According to this code (https://github.com/anomalyco/opencode/blob/dev/packages/console/app/src/routes/go/index.tsx https://github.com/anomalyco/opencode/blob/dev/packages/cons...) only Grok and Luna have 30-day retention, the rest have 0-day retention. Of their legal documents, none mention data retention for anything other than personal data. The exception is if you '/share' which explicitly gives them your session to share over the web with others.
  - anon373839 1mo ago
    I haven’t looked at their docs in a little while but they were very precise in saying that the providers follow a zero data retention policy. But Opencode Go proxies the requests, right? I never saw a statement in the legal docs that would limit Anomaly’s right to retain the data passing through.
    - deleted 1mo ago
      [deleted]
WarmWash 1mo ago
If it's hosted in China, they can tell you whatever you want to hear and do whatever they want to do. What are you going to do? Take a CCP company in front of a CCP judge?
- jacquesm 1mo ago
  They can do the same thing in the US. What are you going to do, sue OpenAI or Anthropic?
  - WarmWash 1mo ago
    Well, yes, because the courts and the AI labs are totally separate entities. If they are doing it to you, they are probably doing it to others, which makes an easy class action
    - filterfish 1mo ago
      Is any class action lawsuit "easy"?
      - WarmWash 1mo ago
        They lawyers do all the leg work (and keep most of the money), but from the defendant POV it all looks the same.
  - resonious 1mo ago
    Anthropic paid out a lot of money for the copyrighted material they used. (not commenting on whether it was a fair amount - just saying these companies are not immune to lawsuits)
- DiogenesKynikos 1mo ago
  You probably could sue them if they really did store your information without your consent. It would be a hassle, but China does have privacy laws. Companies do get sued for violating them.[0] 0. https://www.chinajusticeobserver.com/a/china%E2%80%99s-top-court-defines-legal-boundaries-for-data-rights https://www.chinajusticeobserver.com/a/china%E2%80%99s-top-c...
0xbadcafebee 1mo ago
OpenCode Go does not send any inference to China unless you go into settings and manually select 'Enable models hosted in China'.
ignoramous 1mo ago
That's a recent addition I wasn't aware of. Thanks. Previously, OpenCode docs claimed they had no agreement with DeepSeek on data retention for training. Even more previously, OpenCode said they used providers based in US/EU/Singapore (which they no longer do so).

apitman 1mo ago

> OpenCode Go currently offers $120 for $10 on DeepSeek Flash v4 At DeepSeek's absurdly low rates or market rates?

ignoramous 1mo ago
OpenCode (used to [0]?) buys inference from DeepSeek for DeepSeek models, and their $ rates reflect that: https://opencode.ai/docs/go/#usage-limits https://opencode.ai/docs/go/#usage-limits Careful with using OpenCode's accounting for DeepSeek v4 Pro, though: https://github.com/anomalyco/opencode/issues/39822 https://github.com/anomalyco/opencode/issues/39822 [0] https://github.com/anomalyco/opencode/issues/39857 https://github.com/anomalyco/opencode/issues/39857