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> including isolated testing environments Given the attack vector having possible super-human capability, I'm not sure such an environment exists. "Isolated" a

> including isolated testing environments Given the attack vector having possible super-human capability, I'm not sure such an environment exists. "Isolated" according to who? Maybe seL4 could be a viable option here...

AlotOfReading 1mo ago
Isolation is a pretty standard requirement for lots of networks, especially gov. AWS provides isolation domains, and used to have a unidirectional cross-domain service called AWS diode. Or you can just configure your gateways properly / buy data diodes. Lots of possible solutions.
- jackb4040 1mo ago
  They can't have it both ways. You don't get to tell the media your product is more dangerous than nuclear weapons for precisely this reason, and then do less to secure it than an off-the-shelf AWS product that predates LLMs.
  - ameliaquining 1mo ago
    Nobody is claiming that any currently-existing LLM is more dangerous than nuclear weapons.
    - jackb4040 1mo ago
      https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/13/elon-musk-at-sxsw-a-i-is-more-dangerous-than-nuclear-weapons.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/13/elon-musk-at-sxsw-a-i-is-mor...
      - ameliaquining 1mo ago
        Leaving aside any questions of Musk's credibility, he was not referring to any existing LLM, as should be evident from the 2018 date in the URL.
        jackb4040 1mo ago
        You're claiming that Musk is less of an AI booster now than in 2018?
        ameliaquining 1mo ago
        No, I'm saying that you're conflating current LLMs with future ones. The 2018 date was an indication that Musk wasn't referring to any specific already-existing LLM, since there were no LLMs in 2018.
- orthogonal_cube 1mo ago
  There’s still levels to it. “Isolation” can mean the network hardware has no direct connections to an extranet. Data is transferred manually by physical media (USB, DVD, etc.) with logging and dedicated transfer stations. “Isolation” can mean a VLAN on equipment which has also has extranet access, creating a logical isolation rather than physical (to reduce cost). Data can be transferred manually or through diodes. And then there’s “isolation” which is a joke: machines technically able to access the internet but require proxy configuration (which isn’t set but can be easily derived).

AlotOfReading 1mo ago

Isolation is a pretty standard requirement for lots of networks, especially gov. AWS provides isolation domains, and used to have a unidirectional cross-domain service called AWS diode. Or you can just configure your gateways properly / buy data diodes. Lots of possible solutions.

jackb4040 1mo ago
They can't have it both ways. You don't get to tell the media your product is more dangerous than nuclear weapons for precisely this reason, and then do less to secure it than an off-the-shelf AWS product that predates LLMs.
- ameliaquining 1mo ago
  Nobody is claiming that any currently-existing LLM is more dangerous than nuclear weapons.
  - jackb4040 1mo ago
    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/13/elon-musk-at-sxsw-a-i-is-more-dangerous-than-nuclear-weapons.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/13/elon-musk-at-sxsw-a-i-is-mor...
    - ameliaquining 1mo ago
      Leaving aside any questions of Musk's credibility, he was not referring to any existing LLM, as should be evident from the 2018 date in the URL.
      - jackb4040 1mo ago
        You're claiming that Musk is less of an AI booster now than in 2018?
        ameliaquining 1mo ago
        No, I'm saying that you're conflating current LLMs with future ones. The 2018 date was an indication that Musk wasn't referring to any specific already-existing LLM, since there were no LLMs in 2018.
orthogonal_cube 1mo ago
There’s still levels to it. “Isolation” can mean the network hardware has no direct connections to an extranet. Data is transferred manually by physical media (USB, DVD, etc.) with logging and dedicated transfer stations. “Isolation” can mean a VLAN on equipment which has also has extranet access, creating a logical isolation rather than physical (to reduce cost). Data can be transferred manually or through diodes. And then there’s “isolation” which is a joke: machines technically able to access the internet but require proxy configuration (which isn’t set but can be easily derived).