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These folks are completely unaware that they have witnessed creative and high quality generative AI content without realizing what it was. Because that's the th

by Art9681 1mo ago

These folks are completely unaware that they have witnessed creative and high quality generative AI content without realizing what it was. Because that's the thing. Good generative AI is invisible per se. And it is a lot more ubiquitous than people think by now.

suddenlybananas 1mo ago
Like what? Can you give me an example?
greggoB 1mo ago
> creative and high quality generative AI content So high quality I can certainly acknowledge because indeed the output from these models can be indistinguishable from human generated content. However, I am curious to know what you mean by creative here, in two senses: 1) Do you have an example of AI generated content being particularly novel or different, and not just a (admittedly highly consistent) rehash of what it was trained on? 2) What do you think it means to describe the output of a model that doesn't possess any agency as "creative"?
- aenvoker 1mo ago
  I find the test of “show me AI art that isn’t a rehash” to be a bit pernicious because I have a hard time coming up with any recent examples of non-AI art that I could lie about and claim was AI generated and you’d respond “OK, that AI art is not a rehash.” If everything is a rehash, what are we arguing about? Instead, my goto examples of high quality creative works that are clearly grounded on AI tools is https://andreaciulu.com/projects/ https://andreaciulu.com/projects/ and https://youtu.be/fyZhC2TXgcs https://youtu.be/fyZhC2TXgcs “model that doesn't possess any agency” implies a model acting on its own. Like a paint brush flying around the room painting the walls with no people around. Or a computer spontaneously turning on and publishing images to an online gallery with no on operating it. The creative process of using AI tools is one of exploration, pipelining and editing. Commentators strawman image generators as magic paintbrush machine guns. But, the process of using them intentionally is more like nature/street photography. You can’t walk into the forest and declare “I will photograph an owl fighting a fox over a mouse today.” But, you can develop a sense for where to go to find good shots. Now imagine instead of walking in a forest, you can pop anywhere in the multiverse. You don’t know exactly what to expect each time. And, the space is infinite in many dimensions. But, you can still learn to navigate. And, that’s just the process of direct prompting. One step past that gets you configuring pipelines of highly varied generative editing tools like https://www.runcomfy.com/comfyui-workflows/comfyui-product-relighting-workflow https://www.runcomfy.com/comfyui-workflows/comfyui-product-r... From there you get into integrations with 2D painting/3D modeling tools and video editors. Generating references which are used to generate style sheets, then characters, sets, blockings, dialog, motion, base renders, upscales, edits. “Make me a pretty picture. Masterpiece, best quality” is easy to make fun of. And, it’s common because so easy many people are playing around with it. But, it’s tiresome to find all of the discussion assumes that’s all there can ever be.

by Art9681 1mo ago

suddenlybananas 1mo ago

Like what? Can you give me an example?

greggoB 1mo ago

> creative and high quality generative AI content So high quality I can certainly acknowledge because indeed the output from these models can be indistinguishable from human generated content. However, I am curious to know what you mean by creative here, in two senses: 1) Do you have an example of AI generated content being particularly novel or different, and not just a (admittedly highly consistent) rehash of what it was trained on? 2) What do you think it means to describe the output of a model that doesn't possess any agency as "creative"?

aenvoker 1mo ago
I find the test of “show me AI art that isn’t a rehash” to be a bit pernicious because I have a hard time coming up with any recent examples of non-AI art that I could lie about and claim was AI generated and you’d respond “OK, that AI art is not a rehash.” If everything is a rehash, what are we arguing about? Instead, my goto examples of high quality creative works that are clearly grounded on AI tools is https://andreaciulu.com/projects/ https://andreaciulu.com/projects/ and https://youtu.be/fyZhC2TXgcs https://youtu.be/fyZhC2TXgcs “model that doesn't possess any agency” implies a model acting on its own. Like a paint brush flying around the room painting the walls with no people around. Or a computer spontaneously turning on and publishing images to an online gallery with no on operating it. The creative process of using AI tools is one of exploration, pipelining and editing. Commentators strawman image generators as magic paintbrush machine guns. But, the process of using them intentionally is more like nature/street photography. You can’t walk into the forest and declare “I will photograph an owl fighting a fox over a mouse today.” But, you can develop a sense for where to go to find good shots. Now imagine instead of walking in a forest, you can pop anywhere in the multiverse. You don’t know exactly what to expect each time. And, the space is infinite in many dimensions. But, you can still learn to navigate. And, that’s just the process of direct prompting. One step past that gets you configuring pipelines of highly varied generative editing tools like https://www.runcomfy.com/comfyui-workflows/comfyui-product-relighting-workflow https://www.runcomfy.com/comfyui-workflows/comfyui-product-r... From there you get into integrations with 2D painting/3D modeling tools and video editors. Generating references which are used to generate style sheets, then characters, sets, blockings, dialog, motion, base renders, upscales, edits. “Make me a pretty picture. Masterpiece, best quality” is easy to make fun of. And, it’s common because so easy many people are playing around with it. But, it’s tiresome to find all of the discussion assumes that’s all there can ever be.