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In the USA's defence, the system that put these gangsters in charge also gives it a shot at changing course in a couple of years.

baggachipz 1mo ago
...unless the gangsters change the rules. Which they have and will.
CivBase 1mo ago
Trump 1 was so bad, people showed up in droves to vote for anything else. That's how we ended up with a dimensia president. Biden was so bad, people showed up in droves to vote for anything else. That's how we ended up in a war with Iran. Trump 2 is so bad, people will show up in droves to vote for anything else. The downward spiral continues.
- DangitBobby 1mo ago
  Yeah Biden was soooo bad... Give me a fucking break. Americans are just as dumb as everyone says we are, that's how we got Trump 2.
  - CivBase 1mo ago
    Sentiments like this are why things will not improve. Neither side needs to practice any introspection because they're the good side and when the bad side wins it's just unavoidable because voters are dumb. Keep doubling down. Surely that will make things better.
    - DangitBobby 1mo ago
      Pretending we have issues we don't have also sure to make things better, right? No one who sincerely frames Biden as a problem worth mentioning in a discussion of leadership decline is worth listening to, especially given that he was sandwiched between Trump 1 and 2. A lifetime of patience has been exhausted in one decade.
      - CivBase 1mo ago
        The downward spiral continues.
- nozzlegear 1mo ago
  People didn't vote against Biden/Harris, they voted against incumbents in almost every major election across the world. They were unhappy with the economic situation after Covid – Biden just happened to be president at the time. https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/americans-hate-inflation-more-than https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/americans-hate-inflation-more-...
  - lesuorac 1mo ago
    Not just that but they voted significantly more against the incumbent in the rest of the world than the US. People really did not like Trump they just didn't like incumbents more. It's almost like if the Democrats ran a competitive primary this whole situation could've been avoided.
    - amanaplanacanal 1mo ago
      Somebody would have had to convince Biden not to run. I honestly don't know if anybody even tried.
    - CivBase 1mo ago
      > People really did not like Trump they just didn't like incumbents more. In 2016 Trump got 63M votes. Clinton got 66M. In 2020 Trump got 74M votes. Biden got 81M. In 2024 Trump got 77M votes. Harris got 75M. Trump's popularity increased with each election. Turnout for Harris was definitely lower than the previous election, but the dip was not exceptional. Trump won because of his popularity - not despite it.
      - lesuorac 1mo ago
        Right, his popularity increased in the US election because people did not like the incumbent (Biden / Harris). Take a look at other world wide elections that happened in 2024. Like France (parliamentary system so no presidential election); The incumbents lost 33% of their seats [1]. Or UK; The incumbents lost 67% of their seats [2] And yet, Trump didn't even make it to 50% of US votes. People really did not like him. People really hated incumbents. Your numbers even show this, Biden 1 has more votes than Trump 2; they just didn't support the incumbent anymore. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_French_legislative_election#Results https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_French_legislative_electi... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_Kingdom_general_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_Kingdom_general_el...
- pjc50 1mo ago
  Trump, not Biden, started the war with Iran.
  - CivBase 1mo ago
    That's what I said?
- deleted 1mo ago
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baggachipz 1mo ago

...unless the gangsters change the rules. Which they have and will.

CivBase 1mo ago

Trump 1 was so bad, people showed up in droves to vote for anything else. That's how we ended up with a dimensia president. Biden was so bad, people showed up in droves to vote for anything else. That's how we ended up in a war with Iran. Trump 2 is so bad, people will show up in droves to vote for anything else. The downward spiral continues.

DangitBobby 1mo ago
Yeah Biden was soooo bad... Give me a fucking break. Americans are just as dumb as everyone says we are, that's how we got Trump 2.
- CivBase 1mo ago
  Sentiments like this are why things will not improve. Neither side needs to practice any introspection because they're the good side and when the bad side wins it's just unavoidable because voters are dumb. Keep doubling down. Surely that will make things better.
  - DangitBobby 1mo ago
    Pretending we have issues we don't have also sure to make things better, right? No one who sincerely frames Biden as a problem worth mentioning in a discussion of leadership decline is worth listening to, especially given that he was sandwiched between Trump 1 and 2. A lifetime of patience has been exhausted in one decade.
    - CivBase 1mo ago
      The downward spiral continues.
nozzlegear 1mo ago
People didn't vote against Biden/Harris, they voted against incumbents in almost every major election across the world. They were unhappy with the economic situation after Covid – Biden just happened to be president at the time. https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/americans-hate-inflation-more-than https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/americans-hate-inflation-more-...
- lesuorac 1mo ago
  Not just that but they voted significantly more against the incumbent in the rest of the world than the US. People really did not like Trump they just didn't like incumbents more. It's almost like if the Democrats ran a competitive primary this whole situation could've been avoided.
  - amanaplanacanal 1mo ago
    Somebody would have had to convince Biden not to run. I honestly don't know if anybody even tried.
  - CivBase 1mo ago
    > People really did not like Trump they just didn't like incumbents more. In 2016 Trump got 63M votes. Clinton got 66M. In 2020 Trump got 74M votes. Biden got 81M. In 2024 Trump got 77M votes. Harris got 75M. Trump's popularity increased with each election. Turnout for Harris was definitely lower than the previous election, but the dip was not exceptional. Trump won because of his popularity - not despite it.
    - lesuorac 1mo ago
      Right, his popularity increased in the US election because people did not like the incumbent (Biden / Harris). Take a look at other world wide elections that happened in 2024. Like France (parliamentary system so no presidential election); The incumbents lost 33% of their seats [1]. Or UK; The incumbents lost 67% of their seats [2] And yet, Trump didn't even make it to 50% of US votes. People really did not like him. People really hated incumbents. Your numbers even show this, Biden 1 has more votes than Trump 2; they just didn't support the incumbent anymore. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_French_legislative_election#Results https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_French_legislative_electi... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_Kingdom_general_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_Kingdom_general_el...
pjc50 1mo ago
Trump, not Biden, started the war with Iran.
- CivBase 1mo ago
  That's what I said?
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