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The majority of the photos on the first page came straight from the phone with no post-hoc processing whatsoever (and if you click on the post about Millipixels

The majority of the photos on the first page came straight from the phone with no post-hoc processing whatsoever (and if you click on the post about Millipixels, there's more of unedited ones in the replies). Only tram, train and kernel ones had some, and even then I don't think opening the photo in Darktable and adjusting a few basic sliders counts as "huge amount". If you didn't know, you could have asked.

handedness 1mo ago
In that thread you're stating just months ago that Librem 5 owners no longer need to manually develop raw photos to get decent results. Truly atrocious video quality. I say the camera's not good enough for me, and I suspect the market agrees. The tram photo is arguably the best output of the lot and it's got a ton of problems by contemporary standards. Fun photo, if you didn't buy the phone for the camera and you want to hot rod it to get the best you can out of it, great. Send that to any of the typical phone reviewers and the camera's going to get panned, probably universally unless someone wants to stake out a contrarian position for publicity. "It's not bad for a Linux phone" isn't the expectation, we need a genuinely reasonably good device with good components.
- seba_dos1 1mo ago
  > and it's got a ton of problems by contemporary standards No shit Sherlock. A processing pipeline written in a few weeks by someone who was just learning what color actually is while writing it, with lots of TODOs left around, can't compete with the state of the art? Who would have thought? The post that started this subthread simply asked "Is this a good enough camera for you?", which is a valid question. For some (like me), the answer will be yes; for others, no. That's fine. I appreciate this link being posted because there's lots of really bad photos circulating out there coming from misconfigured software stacks that don't even do the most basic things you're supposed to do with pixels to get a viable picture, giving a much worse impression of hardware than deserved simply because of poor software. It was you who then suddenly showed up with your false "massive amounts of post-processing" claims and iPhone comparisons, as if anyone was claiming that it was comparable to iPhones. Take a short break and re-read what you wrote and what you've been replying to.
  - handedness 1mo ago
    >> it's got a ton of problems by contemporary standards > No shit Sherlock. You're supporting my point. A device which first shipped seven years ago still requiring someone to properly configure a post-processing software stack to get viable pictures out of it (with no path to viable video) kind of makes my point for me. That the hardware can perform significantly better with post-processing is more of an indictment of the overall device than it is an endorsement of the camera hardware itself. For me, from a camera standpoint (among others) the device isn't good enough to be a viable alternative to switch from Android (the post's topic), or from iOS (likely the most commonly used device family by HN readers). Even with your stack. As I said, your photos are the most convincing I've seen, at least the ones in the most forgiving circumstances. It's not personal. As switcher targets go, the Librem 5 is a poor one. Ask any normal person to do what you call basic to get them looking like a midrange camera from a decade prior. And yet, when switching comes up, the same few suggest it as if it's a genuinely good option for anything but very niche cases. No break needed. That's it.
    - seba_dos1 1mo ago
      > A device which first shipped seven years ago still requiring someone to properly configure a post-processing software stack to get viable pictures out of it (with no path to viable video) kind of makes my point for me. Except it doesn't. The photos I showed are as they come by default out-of-the-box on the default OS the device ships with. You're just making things up again.
      - handedness 1mo ago
        I'll put it more succinctly: there's no photo on that page I'd be satisfied with out of an $800 device in 2026. If it was actually strong at everything else, it may well have a shot as a second device, but the Librem 5 doesn't come close there.
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handedness 1mo ago

In that thread you're stating just months ago that Librem 5 owners no longer need to manually develop raw photos to get decent results. Truly atrocious video quality. I say the camera's not good enough for me, and I suspect the market agrees. The tram photo is arguably the best output of the lot and it's got a ton of problems by contemporary standards. Fun photo, if you didn't buy the phone for the camera and you want to hot rod it to get the best you can out of it, great. Send that to any of the typical phone reviewers and the camera's going to get panned, probably universally unless someone wants to stake out a contrarian position for publicity. "It's not bad for a Linux phone" isn't the expectation, we need a genuinely reasonably good device with good components.

seba_dos1 1mo ago
> and it's got a ton of problems by contemporary standards No shit Sherlock. A processing pipeline written in a few weeks by someone who was just learning what color actually is while writing it, with lots of TODOs left around, can't compete with the state of the art? Who would have thought? The post that started this subthread simply asked "Is this a good enough camera for you?", which is a valid question. For some (like me), the answer will be yes; for others, no. That's fine. I appreciate this link being posted because there's lots of really bad photos circulating out there coming from misconfigured software stacks that don't even do the most basic things you're supposed to do with pixels to get a viable picture, giving a much worse impression of hardware than deserved simply because of poor software. It was you who then suddenly showed up with your false "massive amounts of post-processing" claims and iPhone comparisons, as if anyone was claiming that it was comparable to iPhones. Take a short break and re-read what you wrote and what you've been replying to.
- handedness 1mo ago
  >> it's got a ton of problems by contemporary standards > No shit Sherlock. You're supporting my point. A device which first shipped seven years ago still requiring someone to properly configure a post-processing software stack to get viable pictures out of it (with no path to viable video) kind of makes my point for me. That the hardware can perform significantly better with post-processing is more of an indictment of the overall device than it is an endorsement of the camera hardware itself. For me, from a camera standpoint (among others) the device isn't good enough to be a viable alternative to switch from Android (the post's topic), or from iOS (likely the most commonly used device family by HN readers). Even with your stack. As I said, your photos are the most convincing I've seen, at least the ones in the most forgiving circumstances. It's not personal. As switcher targets go, the Librem 5 is a poor one. Ask any normal person to do what you call basic to get them looking like a midrange camera from a decade prior. And yet, when switching comes up, the same few suggest it as if it's a genuinely good option for anything but very niche cases. No break needed. That's it.
  - seba_dos1 1mo ago
    > A device which first shipped seven years ago still requiring someone to properly configure a post-processing software stack to get viable pictures out of it (with no path to viable video) kind of makes my point for me. Except it doesn't. The photos I showed are as they come by default out-of-the-box on the default OS the device ships with. You're just making things up again.
    - handedness 1mo ago
      I'll put it more succinctly: there's no photo on that page I'd be satisfied with out of an $800 device in 2026. If it was actually strong at everything else, it may well have a shot as a second device, but the Librem 5 doesn't come close there.
      - deleted 1mo ago
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