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I've never understood this argument. Even if self-hosted things were offline more often (which I've never found to be the case, I've had Forgejo + runners runni

I've never understood this argument. Even if self-hosted things were offline more often (which I've never found to be the case, I've had Forgejo + runners running for a year now with no downtime), the real benefit is that you yourself can work to bring it back online when it does, rather than waiting on a large, slow-moving organization to figure out what slopped PR caused their global service serving ungodly amounts of RPS to go offline again.

onraglanroad 1mo ago
I wrote my reply before yours appeared but it's basically agreeing. A simple Forgejo hasn't given me any grief. It really seems simpler. Maybe they're hosting in us-east-1 though :)
- crmsystems 1mo ago
  lol
Kinrany 1mo ago
I don't follow, how is that better? It's down more often AND you have to do more work.
- thecatapps 1mo ago
  Except it's not down more often and it's not a heavy lift. It's not a mail server, it's a Postgres database, a Golang app, and backups (and some providers will just handle that for you!).
mschuetz 1mo ago
But I don't want to have to do this kind of work, you're only listing disadvantages from my viewpoint.
- thecatapps 1mo ago
  Why? Like I wrote in a separate comment, it's not a mail server, it's a Postgres database, a Golang app, and backups (and some providers will just handle that for you!)
  - mschuetz 1mo ago
    What do you mean "why"? Setting up and tinkering with systems is work I loathe to do, obviously. I want to code, not host coding repositories. I did it in the past because I had to, and now I don't have to do it because github does it for me. It's great.
    - thecatapps 1mo ago
      Except when Github’s down, of course. I’m saying it’s incomprehensible to me that people would rather put their trust into an organization as enshittified as Microsoft where they get their codebases added to an AI, have an awful experience (the code review UX, for example), and deal with consistent downtime, rather than put a few hours every so often into something that they loathe to do. That does not seem like a good trade-off at all.
      - mschuetz 1mo ago
        > and deal with consistent downtime, Wildly exaggerated. I use github almost daily and can't remember when the last downtime was.
        thecatapps 1mo ago
        This thread is about a nine hour outage in the middle of the east coast workday for Github Actions.

onraglanroad 1mo ago

I wrote my reply before yours appeared but it's basically agreeing. A simple Forgejo hasn't given me any grief. It really seems simpler. Maybe they're hosting in us-east-1 though :)

crmsystems 1mo ago
lol

Kinrany 1mo ago

I don't follow, how is that better? It's down more often AND you have to do more work.

thecatapps 1mo ago
Except it's not down more often and it's not a heavy lift. It's not a mail server, it's a Postgres database, a Golang app, and backups (and some providers will just handle that for you!).

mschuetz 1mo ago

But I don't want to have to do this kind of work, you're only listing disadvantages from my viewpoint.

thecatapps 1mo ago
Why? Like I wrote in a separate comment, it's not a mail server, it's a Postgres database, a Golang app, and backups (and some providers will just handle that for you!)
- mschuetz 1mo ago
  What do you mean "why"? Setting up and tinkering with systems is work I loathe to do, obviously. I want to code, not host coding repositories. I did it in the past because I had to, and now I don't have to do it because github does it for me. It's great.
  - thecatapps 1mo ago
    Except when Github’s down, of course. I’m saying it’s incomprehensible to me that people would rather put their trust into an organization as enshittified as Microsoft where they get their codebases added to an AI, have an awful experience (the code review UX, for example), and deal with consistent downtime, rather than put a few hours every so often into something that they loathe to do. That does not seem like a good trade-off at all.
    - mschuetz 1mo ago
      > and deal with consistent downtime, Wildly exaggerated. I use github almost daily and can't remember when the last downtime was.
      - thecatapps 1mo ago
        This thread is about a nine hour outage in the middle of the east coast workday for Github Actions.