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There are a few http://mimosajs.com/ http://mimosajs.com/ http://brunch.io/ http://brunch.io/ ---- On a related note, I'm currently using Grunt.JS with few

by jrmoran 14y ago

There are a few http://mimosajs.com/ http://mimosajs.com/ http://brunch.io/ http://brunch.io/ ---- On a related note, I'm currently using Grunt.JS with few plugins for Compass, CoffeeScript and Live Reload. Similar to Guards (ruby based), it's the plugin ecosystem that makes it valuable and able to suit multiple needs. Needless to say, roots sounds interesting.

msutherl 14y ago
Thanks! Mimosa seems less opinionated, supports everything. Has modules. Ugly website. Brunch seems less opinionated, supports everything. Has skeletons, plugin API. Nice website. Grunt seems like the roll-your-own option and is probably more well supported than the others...?
- dbashford 14y ago
  Mimosa author here! I'll work on the website. =) I do think the tool is better documented than some of the others, and I was really going for having the docs rather than making them super pretty. Mimosa is very pluggable (http://mimosajs.com/modules.html http://mimosajs.com/modules.html), moreso than Brunch, but slightly less so than grunt, though, to be honest, my grunt experience is slim. That said, grunt obviously has quite the ecosystem of plugins that all the others lack.
  - msutherl 14y ago
    Hey, sorry about dissing your site. It's not that bad and could be tuned up quite easily. – The text shadows on the main page are a bit much. 1px offset is sufficient and the shadow color probably doesn't need to be so light. – Grey boxes around text are too tight and probably shouldn't be so rounded. – Headers on home-page are either too big or aren't given enough space. Whitespace! Don't be afraid to use it. – Darker shadows on headers have the same problem – too much offset – just looks tacky. – Title and description on homepage looks crammed into the top. Give it more space. Maybe smaller text. – Red headers are way too bright. Tone it down. – The bathroom-tile background image is kind of weird. – Body text is too wide throughout the docs. – More whitespace throughout the design would help (between all typographic elements), especially given your choice of a large, open typeface.
  - dbashford 14y ago
    HackerNews commenting n00b, but guessing it only lets replies go so deep? Hence my reply to the site suggestions goes here. =) Crazy kinds of awesome to get that kind of feedback! I'll take a look at all that stuff. Big site update content-wise with my next release and I can make some changes then.
    - nightpool 14y ago
      Hacker News has exponential delay time on comments based on depth. So the deeper a comment is, the longer you have to wait to reply to it. It's supposed to help cool off flamewars.
  - jenius 14y ago
    I'd be happy to help out advising on the design as well if you want. Great work on mimosa, obviously I'm a fan of these kinds of tools : )
    - dbashford 14y ago
      Your site definitely looks slick! I'd take any suggestions anyone has and as long as they make sense, implement them. I'd rather be writing node than thinking about design anyway. =)
- mcrider 14y ago
  Sounds like a good blog post if someone went more in depth here. I for one am really happy to see these tools coming out of the woodwork!
jenius 14y ago
I will admit that this is a rather opinionated framework. I'm kind of shooting for the apple philosophy - reduce flexibility for a lighter and more beautiful product. I've worked with a lot of compiled languages and for me, these are the cleanest and easiest to work with. I did try to build in a bit of flex though with the plugin interface and the fact that it compiles html, css, js, and ejs in addition out of the box.
- doctorpangloss 14y ago
  I'm a happy user of Meteor. It has few opinions.
  - jenius 14y ago
    Meteor is not the same type of project as roots at all, so this comparison doesn't exactly make sense. Although meteor is an awesome project and in addition is backed by at least 3 people working on it full time : )
dbashford 14y ago
Thanks for the Mimosa mention!

by jrmoran 14y ago

msutherl 14y ago

Thanks! Mimosa seems less opinionated, supports everything. Has modules. Ugly website. Brunch seems less opinionated, supports everything. Has skeletons, plugin API. Nice website. Grunt seems like the roll-your-own option and is probably more well supported than the others...?

dbashford 14y ago
Mimosa author here! I'll work on the website. =) I do think the tool is better documented than some of the others, and I was really going for having the docs rather than making them super pretty. Mimosa is very pluggable (http://mimosajs.com/modules.html http://mimosajs.com/modules.html), moreso than Brunch, but slightly less so than grunt, though, to be honest, my grunt experience is slim. That said, grunt obviously has quite the ecosystem of plugins that all the others lack.
- msutherl 14y ago
  Hey, sorry about dissing your site. It's not that bad and could be tuned up quite easily. – The text shadows on the main page are a bit much. 1px offset is sufficient and the shadow color probably doesn't need to be so light. – Grey boxes around text are too tight and probably shouldn't be so rounded. – Headers on home-page are either too big or aren't given enough space. Whitespace! Don't be afraid to use it. – Darker shadows on headers have the same problem – too much offset – just looks tacky. – Title and description on homepage looks crammed into the top. Give it more space. Maybe smaller text. – Red headers are way too bright. Tone it down. – The bathroom-tile background image is kind of weird. – Body text is too wide throughout the docs. – More whitespace throughout the design would help (between all typographic elements), especially given your choice of a large, open typeface.
- dbashford 14y ago
  HackerNews commenting n00b, but guessing it only lets replies go so deep? Hence my reply to the site suggestions goes here. =) Crazy kinds of awesome to get that kind of feedback! I'll take a look at all that stuff. Big site update content-wise with my next release and I can make some changes then.
  - nightpool 14y ago
    Hacker News has exponential delay time on comments based on depth. So the deeper a comment is, the longer you have to wait to reply to it. It's supposed to help cool off flamewars.
- jenius 14y ago
  I'd be happy to help out advising on the design as well if you want. Great work on mimosa, obviously I'm a fan of these kinds of tools : )
  - dbashford 14y ago
    Your site definitely looks slick! I'd take any suggestions anyone has and as long as they make sense, implement them. I'd rather be writing node than thinking about design anyway. =)
mcrider 14y ago
Sounds like a good blog post if someone went more in depth here. I for one am really happy to see these tools coming out of the woodwork!

jenius 14y ago

I will admit that this is a rather opinionated framework. I'm kind of shooting for the apple philosophy - reduce flexibility for a lighter and more beautiful product. I've worked with a lot of compiled languages and for me, these are the cleanest and easiest to work with. I did try to build in a bit of flex though with the plugin interface and the fact that it compiles html, css, js, and ejs in addition out of the box.

doctorpangloss 14y ago
I'm a happy user of Meteor. It has few opinions.
- jenius 14y ago
  Meteor is not the same type of project as roots at all, so this comparison doesn't exactly make sense. Although meteor is an awesome project and in addition is backed by at least 3 people working on it full time : )

dbashford 14y ago

Thanks for the Mimosa mention!