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No, memorize many noun most important. Grammar less Important. Can do food, can do travel, can do tax. Because, noun most important.
by refactor_master 2mo ago
No, memorize many noun most important. Grammar less
Important. Can do food, can do travel, can do tax. Because, noun most important.
- WalterBright 2mo agoWorking with ESL people makes it clear that grammar isn't so important. One of my friends would say, instead of "go shopping", would say "make some shoppings". Instead of "it's time to go", he'd say "time for go". All words that started with 's' were pronounced 'ehs', as in "gas ehstation". The other people at work soon picked those lines up, and we used them regularly amongst ourselves. I still use them decades later!
- ButlerianJihad 2mo agoBut your friend was applying consistent rules of grammar from his mother tongue. Having learned some vocabulary, he would mentally form the phrases in his head, and then literally translate out the words and tenses. Grammar was so important to him that he was adhering to the grammatical rules he knew. It would be interesting to know how he would perform with writing or typing instead of contemporaneous conversation. "go" in particular is an irregular verb, and also one of the most versatile words in the English language. Having studied how to conjugate "go" in other languages, I do not envy anyone trying to conjugate or just use it in an English sentence!
- WalterBright 2mo agoThe point was I understood him perfectly despite the execrable grammar.
- Thraway198 1mo agoThat's cause you knew what he wanted to do, and there was no other possible meaning from "make some shopping." If he just said "make shopping some" it would have been less clear.
- Thraway198 2mo agoThis is grammar from their native language. They dont know the English grammar, so they just assume it's the same as the one they understand. You just understand them via the context. Older Europeans used to say 'AND NOW WE MAKE PARTY!"
- kevin_thibedeau 2mo agoEnglish is a fault tolerant language that is usually comprehensible with errors. That isn't generally applicable to all languages.
- WalterBright 1mo ago> That isn't generally applicable to all languages. I'm skeptical of that claim.
- teddyh 2mo agoPut volume! — Trevor Noah, <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wtz0WZSNcPA#t=43s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wtz0WZSNcPA#t=43s>
- yongjik 2mo agoMe go market, find juice, say sugar free nice! sugar free! me take juice, me take sugar, police take me, why? hell!
- theli0nheart 2mo agoI think we have different definitions of “proficient”. :)
- lesostep 1mo agoTbh, that's how I learned English. Rudimentary grammar, knew a few words, and then just read with dictionary until I didn't need a dictionary. Also watched a lot of shows until I didn't need subtitles. Languages are weird like that – if you use them enough, your brain just figures some things out. After all, natural languages are easy enough for toddlers to learn.