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Are they, or are they not, foreign-born people crossing a border to settle on the other side?

by hamper653 2mo ago

debugnik 2mo ago
See my other reply to you, most are in fact not settling.
- hamper653 2mo ago
  They are not staying at least one year in Europe?
  - debugnik 2mo ago
    Most have already returned voluntarily!
    - hamper653 2mo ago
      Ok so they are aspiring migrants.
      - readthenotes1 2mo ago
        Mostly peaceful aspiring migrants, just trying to make a better life for their children
        hamper653 2mo ago
        Well… yeah.
- bertylicious 2mo ago
  By your definition a migrant needs to cross borders and successfully settle on the other site. What do you call the people being forced back or stuck in holding facilities and internation camps then?
  - debugnik 2mo ago
    I'm talking exclusively about this particular breach. 48000 out of 50000 have returned voluntarily. I don't think that counts as trying, so talking about success is a category error. This was a (deadly) flash mob.
    - hamper653 2mo ago
      > I'm talking exclusively about this particular breach. Actually OP was talking about migrants crossing from Belarus.
      - debugnik 2mo ago
        I assumed their qualifier was being applied to this case as well. However I don't think there's any ambiguity about who are we talking about in this specific thread of comments.
        hamper653 2mo ago
        There is also no ambiguity about them being migrants.
grumple 2mo ago
They were there for the fun of looting and harassing the Spanish at the direction of their government, not to actually settle. I might call them agitators, raiders or invaders, not migrants.
- hamper653 2mo ago
  You believe these people to be Moroccans? Really?
  - grumple 2mo ago
    What conspiracy theory is this that you’re pushing that these were not Moroccans? You think there’s some other large group of people who live in Morocco and were just ready to run into Ceuta within a day of this Spanish ruling?
    - hamper653 2mo ago
      > You think there’s some other large group of people who live in Morocco and were just ready to run into Ceuta? Morocco, being close to Spain, is a well-known hub for migrants from all over Africa hoping to make it to Europe, yes. Do you also believe that all the migrants attempting to cross the Channel from Calais are… French?

Are they, or are they not, foreign-born people crossing a border to settle on the other side?

debugnik 2mo ago

See my other reply to you, most are in fact not settling.

hamper653 2mo ago
They are not staying at least one year in Europe?
- debugnik 2mo ago
  Most have already returned voluntarily!
  - hamper653 2mo ago
    Ok so they are aspiring migrants.
    - readthenotes1 2mo ago
      Mostly peaceful aspiring migrants, just trying to make a better life for their children
      - hamper653 2mo ago
        Well… yeah.
bertylicious 2mo ago
By your definition a migrant needs to cross borders and successfully settle on the other site. What do you call the people being forced back or stuck in holding facilities and internation camps then?
- debugnik 2mo ago
  I'm talking exclusively about this particular breach. 48000 out of 50000 have returned voluntarily. I don't think that counts as trying, so talking about success is a category error. This was a (deadly) flash mob.
  - hamper653 2mo ago
    > I'm talking exclusively about this particular breach. Actually OP was talking about migrants crossing from Belarus.
    - debugnik 2mo ago
      I assumed their qualifier was being applied to this case as well. However I don't think there's any ambiguity about who are we talking about in this specific thread of comments.
      - hamper653 2mo ago
        There is also no ambiguity about them being migrants.

grumple 2mo ago

They were there for the fun of looting and harassing the Spanish at the direction of their government, not to actually settle. I might call them agitators, raiders or invaders, not migrants.

hamper653 2mo ago
You believe these people to be Moroccans? Really?
- grumple 2mo ago
  What conspiracy theory is this that you’re pushing that these were not Moroccans? You think there’s some other large group of people who live in Morocco and were just ready to run into Ceuta within a day of this Spanish ruling?
  - hamper653 2mo ago
    > You think there’s some other large group of people who live in Morocco and were just ready to run into Ceuta? Morocco, being close to Spain, is a well-known hub for migrants from all over Africa hoping to make it to Europe, yes. Do you also believe that all the migrants attempting to cross the Channel from Calais are… French?