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I can't understand the logic behind party A did something, and then blame party B for not undoing it. Not everything is a simple ctrl-z, and the blame lays squ

by nikau 2mo ago

I can't understand the logic behind party A did something, and then blame party B for not undoing it. Not everything is a simple ctrl-z, and the blame lays squarely on who implemented it.

lowbloodsugar 2mo ago
A mugger stabs your friend and runs off. They are bleeding out. You do nothing. That’s what he’s saying. The fact is Biden did nothing to prevent this. Including not locking the fucker up. Not stacking the Supreme Court after the Ginsberg shitshow.
- mittensc 2mo ago
  > They are bleeding out. You do nothing There are a lot of people that do not know what to do. There are also wounds that you can't really do anything about without hospital. (internal bleeding?!) The funny thing is, as analogies go, here the friend tells you to bugger off because of israel and tells the mugger to come back and help him... mugger stabs him some more
- itake 2mo ago
  I hear you, but I really don't want the government flip flopping every 4-8 years on policy. "stuck in the past" vibes vs making progress
  - lowbloodsugar 2mo ago
    “I do not like flip flopping, so I’m gonna be a fascist too.”
    - itake 2mo ago
      Who are you quoting? I've voted democrat in every election since I was 18.
jmyeet 2mo ago
It's called the ratchet effect [1]. In our modern political paradigm, conservatives torch the economy, introduce heinous policies and give massive tax breaks to the wealthy until their popularity drops enough that Democrats get voted in and... do nothing. This has several names such as "controlled opposition" and the "mirage of dissent" [2]. As an example, take the current Iran war. There's very little opposition in establishment politics to the actual war. What you get instead are process objections, such as the president not consulting Congress. Objecting to the process is a way of appearing to be in opposition without being in opposition. This was ultimately why Kamala Harris lost the 2024 election. "Trump bad" isn't a platform that people get excited for. People are asking "what are you going to do about it?" and her answer was... nothing. It was the culmination of years of what's been called "lesser evil voting" or "harm reduction voting". Democrats have adopted a platform of just not being quite as bad as the Republicans, probably because they have the exact same donors. And millions of voters stayed home in 2024 rather than vote for the status quo. So back to the JCPOA, Biden should've done something but did nothing. Because he likes what Trump did. He agrees with it. And so do most Democrats. That's the point. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratchet_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratchet_effect [2]: https://ia800503.us.archive.org/5/items/mirage-of-dissent-the-mechanics-of-controlled-opposition/Mirage%20of%20Dissent_The%20Mechanics%20of%20Controlled%20Opposition.pdf https://ia800503.us.archive.org/5/items/mirage-of-dissent-th...
- iamnothere 2mo ago
  Not helped by both parties uniting wherever necessary to freeze out outsiders (socialists, libertarians, or even liberal reformists). Anything to preserve the status quo.
  - Sabinus 2mo ago
    I'd be interested to know when the Democrat party drove out liberal reformists.
    - iamnothere 2mo ago
      Any time someone actually proposes effective reforms, they get frozen out. The status quo is all about symbolic action and posturing. This often gets framed as a “culture war” issue but for some reason the party old guard always ends up on the side opposing change, no matter who it is.

by nikau 2mo ago

I can't understand the logic behind party A did something, and then blame party B for not undoing it. Not everything is a simple ctrl-z, and the blame lays squarely on who implemented it.

lowbloodsugar 2mo ago

A mugger stabs your friend and runs off. They are bleeding out. You do nothing. That’s what he’s saying. The fact is Biden did nothing to prevent this. Including not locking the fucker up. Not stacking the Supreme Court after the Ginsberg shitshow.

mittensc 2mo ago
> They are bleeding out. You do nothing There are a lot of people that do not know what to do. There are also wounds that you can't really do anything about without hospital. (internal bleeding?!) The funny thing is, as analogies go, here the friend tells you to bugger off because of israel and tells the mugger to come back and help him... mugger stabs him some more
itake 2mo ago
I hear you, but I really don't want the government flip flopping every 4-8 years on policy. "stuck in the past" vibes vs making progress
- lowbloodsugar 2mo ago
  “I do not like flip flopping, so I’m gonna be a fascist too.”
  - itake 2mo ago
    Who are you quoting? I've voted democrat in every election since I was 18.

jmyeet 2mo ago

It's called the ratchet effect [1]. In our modern political paradigm, conservatives torch the economy, introduce heinous policies and give massive tax breaks to the wealthy until their popularity drops enough that Democrats get voted in and... do nothing. This has several names such as "controlled opposition" and the "mirage of dissent" [2]. As an example, take the current Iran war. There's very little opposition in establishment politics to the actual war. What you get instead are process objections, such as the president not consulting Congress. Objecting to the process is a way of appearing to be in opposition without being in opposition. This was ultimately why Kamala Harris lost the 2024 election. "Trump bad" isn't a platform that people get excited for. People are asking "what are you going to do about it?" and her answer was... nothing. It was the culmination of years of what's been called "lesser evil voting" or "harm reduction voting". Democrats have adopted a platform of just not being quite as bad as the Republicans, probably because they have the exact same donors. And millions of voters stayed home in 2024 rather than vote for the status quo. So back to the JCPOA, Biden should've done something but did nothing. Because he likes what Trump did. He agrees with it. And so do most Democrats. That's the point. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratchet_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratchet_effect [2]: https://ia800503.us.archive.org/5/items/mirage-of-dissent-the-mechanics-of-controlled-opposition/Mirage%20of%20Dissent_The%20Mechanics%20of%20Controlled%20Opposition.pdf https://ia800503.us.archive.org/5/items/mirage-of-dissent-th...

iamnothere 2mo ago
Not helped by both parties uniting wherever necessary to freeze out outsiders (socialists, libertarians, or even liberal reformists). Anything to preserve the status quo.
- Sabinus 2mo ago
  I'd be interested to know when the Democrat party drove out liberal reformists.
  - iamnothere 2mo ago
    Any time someone actually proposes effective reforms, they get frozen out. The status quo is all about symbolic action and posturing. This often gets framed as a “culture war” issue but for some reason the party old guard always ends up on the side opposing change, no matter who it is.