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If you didn't already know, jobs at highly competitive companies tend to have vague job requirements because they expect to be able to apply your raw intelligen

If you didn't already know, jobs at highly competitive companies tend to have vague job requirements because they expect to be able to apply your raw intelligence to changing demands quickly. There's no point being hyper-specific about the exact software packages because that's not what they want. What they want is someone who, after talking to an interviewer for 30 minutes, leaves them with the thought "Wow, this person can do anything we need of them. They can probably tell us what we need too and take ownership of large projects. Hire!"

moscoe 2mo ago
Agree. Being smart, competent, and high in conscientiousness is more important than any highly specific “qualification”. It’s not about checking a bunch of boxes. If you have a track record of getting shit done, you’ll have something to contribute.
_superposition_ 2mo ago
This. Being too specific on the stack requirements is a red flag imo.
orangelimesoda 2mo ago
> There's no point being hyper-specific about the exact software packages because that's not what they want Okay. This makes it sound like they're more sophisticated but it seems more like they are less sophisticated, less specific, and a lot more vague in the job descriptions they themselves create. If you look at any technical role, game dev or something where people are building important things at scale - there are a lot of specifics. Libraries, methodologies, where if you didn't know them you are nowhere near a fit. I'm just wondering. It's OpenAI. Surely there is some domain-specific something beyond "has experience shipping front-end and back-end services" since that includes basically everyone. It makes this job look like a Starbucks role.
- devmor 2mo ago
  I see where you're coming from, but as someone who regularly interviews engineers, I don't care about specific tech stacks when evaluating a candidate very much either. I can only think of two positions I've worked in where such a thing really mattered. A good engineer can adapt and catch up without a lot of lead time. For a contractor, I'd be much more specific - but for someone who's going to join my team? I'm looking for a candidate that can demonstrate their problem solving ability, creative thinking and communication skills. Other than having some kind of experience in the general domain we work in, those "soft skills" are far harder to find than specific tech experience.
  - berrylimetea 2mo ago
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  - rustystump 2mo ago
    This is insane to me. Not every engineering job is entry level or as simple as most fullstack crud. Deeper into industry you find highly specific well defined positions for a given domain. Soft skills matter more the higher the ladder but id take a killer senior who can be difficult over a team of mediocre staff engineers.
    - orangelimesoda 1mo ago
      Same here. Most difficult people just need a challenge and a little recognition. Give them an area of ownership and you get both. So-called difficult people who are actually very talented have clashed with middle management types for a long time.
  - a34729t 2mo ago
    Yeah, no. If you are digging deep into database internals, query optimization and schema design, it helps to have someone with some experience in the domain. Otherwise your team will spend a few years learning from first principles.
- pertymcpert 2mo ago
  > I'm just wondering. It's OpenAI. Surely there is some domain-specific something beyond "has experience shipping front-end and back-end services" since that includes basically everyone. Maybe you're looking at this from your own particular point of view too much. I work in systems software, as do many others on HN: our demographic wouldn't be qualified for that at all.
swat535 2mo ago
> raw intelligence I'm not sure how this would apply. Are you implying that if the company operates on Python, you can hire someone with great "raw intelligence" who have only developed C++ all their life, and they can start contributing on day 1? You need to clearly list what the position entails, otherwise you're wasting time.
- yesb 2mo ago
  They are listing what the position entails. In this case it's a full-stack web dev role. "only c++ all their life" is more or less not possible if you have experience doing that Likewise from another job post: "Have a strong background in kernel-level systems". Not possible if your whole resume is building web apps, may be possible for someone that has only used c++ professionally.
- pertymcpert 2mo ago
  > I'm not sure how this would apply. Are you implying that if the company operates on Python, you can hire someone with great "raw intelligence" who have only developed C++ all their life, and they can start contributing on day 1? In your particular case, no not on day 1. But they can probably make meaningful contributions after 2 weeks. They'll pick it up quick because they're some of the best talent on the market.

moscoe 2mo ago

Agree. Being smart, competent, and high in conscientiousness is more important than any highly specific “qualification”. It’s not about checking a bunch of boxes. If you have a track record of getting shit done, you’ll have something to contribute.

_superposition_ 2mo ago

This. Being too specific on the stack requirements is a red flag imo.

orangelimesoda 2mo ago

> There's no point being hyper-specific about the exact software packages because that's not what they want Okay. This makes it sound like they're more sophisticated but it seems more like they are less sophisticated, less specific, and a lot more vague in the job descriptions they themselves create. If you look at any technical role, game dev or something where people are building important things at scale - there are a lot of specifics. Libraries, methodologies, where if you didn't know them you are nowhere near a fit. I'm just wondering. It's OpenAI. Surely there is some domain-specific something beyond "has experience shipping front-end and back-end services" since that includes basically everyone. It makes this job look like a Starbucks role.

devmor 2mo ago
I see where you're coming from, but as someone who regularly interviews engineers, I don't care about specific tech stacks when evaluating a candidate very much either. I can only think of two positions I've worked in where such a thing really mattered. A good engineer can adapt and catch up without a lot of lead time. For a contractor, I'd be much more specific - but for someone who's going to join my team? I'm looking for a candidate that can demonstrate their problem solving ability, creative thinking and communication skills. Other than having some kind of experience in the general domain we work in, those "soft skills" are far harder to find than specific tech experience.
- berrylimetea 2mo ago
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- rustystump 2mo ago
  This is insane to me. Not every engineering job is entry level or as simple as most fullstack crud. Deeper into industry you find highly specific well defined positions for a given domain. Soft skills matter more the higher the ladder but id take a killer senior who can be difficult over a team of mediocre staff engineers.
  - orangelimesoda 1mo ago
    Same here. Most difficult people just need a challenge and a little recognition. Give them an area of ownership and you get both. So-called difficult people who are actually very talented have clashed with middle management types for a long time.
- a34729t 2mo ago
  Yeah, no. If you are digging deep into database internals, query optimization and schema design, it helps to have someone with some experience in the domain. Otherwise your team will spend a few years learning from first principles.
pertymcpert 2mo ago
> I'm just wondering. It's OpenAI. Surely there is some domain-specific something beyond "has experience shipping front-end and back-end services" since that includes basically everyone. Maybe you're looking at this from your own particular point of view too much. I work in systems software, as do many others on HN: our demographic wouldn't be qualified for that at all.

swat535 2mo ago

> raw intelligence I'm not sure how this would apply. Are you implying that if the company operates on Python, you can hire someone with great "raw intelligence" who have only developed C++ all their life, and they can start contributing on day 1? You need to clearly list what the position entails, otherwise you're wasting time.

yesb 2mo ago
They are listing what the position entails. In this case it's a full-stack web dev role. "only c++ all their life" is more or less not possible if you have experience doing that Likewise from another job post: "Have a strong background in kernel-level systems". Not possible if your whole resume is building web apps, may be possible for someone that has only used c++ professionally.
pertymcpert 2mo ago
> I'm not sure how this would apply. Are you implying that if the company operates on Python, you can hire someone with great "raw intelligence" who have only developed C++ all their life, and they can start contributing on day 1? In your particular case, no not on day 1. But they can probably make meaningful contributions after 2 weeks. They'll pick it up quick because they're some of the best talent on the market.