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He has been set free, but his entire life has been destroyed by this "subtle" mistake. Once you have spent time, no employer will touch you with a barge pole. (

by RaSoJo 2mo ago

He has been set free, but his entire life has been destroyed by this "subtle" mistake. Once you have spent time, no employer will touch you with a barge pole. (innocence not withstanding) Do hope he can claim compensation...

nubg 2mo ago
> Do hope he can claim compensation... Can any UK lawyer chime in?
- OJFord 2mo ago
  This is an error by US (Wisconsin) police misidentifying a man in (Halifax, Nova Scotia) Canada. Why do you want to hear from a UK lawyer? It sounds like the appeal hasn't actually happened/completed yet anyway, that they're trying to raise public interest/outrage to help the case.
  - walrus01 2mo ago
    The appeal has been completed and he's been acquitted. Note the past tense in how the CBC wrote this part: "The Wisconsin police identified Mr. Klayme as the offender using the incorrect username. His conviction rested on the internet username being attributed to him,” the appeal panel wrote. The Appeal Court decision said no evidence was found linking Klayme to the girl, the Kik conversations, or the intimate images. In addition to an acquittal entered on the charges, the sentence and ancillary orders against Klayme were vacated.
    - OJFord 2mo ago
      Thanks, it was: > "This is not a situation where an acquittal is entered because the Crown has failed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt the essential elements of an offence or an error during the trial made the verdict unsafe," the appeal panel wrote. That confused me – but I see now it's supposed to connect to the next paragraph (?!) – "it's not that there was procedural error, it's that he was completely innocent all along". (I do think it's written poorly, but I also haven't had a coffee yet..)
spwa4 2mo ago
The justice system has rules for compensation when they make mistakes. They differ across countries, but one thing is for sure: You, as a private citizen and thus a target/victim of this, are not going to like them at all. It's something like 20$ per full day locked up in middle America, and 0 for any pretrial detention. Ie. after 2 months your wage and/or unemployment benefits go to zero and if you're innocent you get what is effectively a replacement "wage" of 7300$ per year with deductions. Your rent, of course, does not go to zero. Nor does any other obligation, from Netflix to child support payments. The main deduction from that 7300$ is whether or not the judge later declared pretrial detention the actual sentence, which they very often do, as especially in the last decade pretrial detention can exceed the punishment for the crime. This means everything goes to zero for pretrial detention. There is no limit to the duration of pretrial detention. Oh and the justice system for adults actually does have some form of compensation, as in there is something. If you're a minor, youth services, famous for studies pointing out every decision they make is based on incorrect information (ie. everybody lies to youth services, kids, parents, schools, sports clubs, and of course youth services itself, the justice system and institutions, aside from the massive difference in perspective, all parties are extremely incentivized to lie in essentially all situations, and that is perfectly legal), there is not any form of compensation. There are minors locked up in America with the reasoning akin to "We're 100% sure you did NOT do the crime you're accused of but we still think you need to be protected". Yes, protected, that's why there's no compensation. The prison camp with barbed wire (which you can see on Netflix "Girls Incarcerated", for example) is only for protection. And you know what the really bad part is. In the barbed wire prison camp, you have the RIGHT to study, as a "protected" (ie. incarcerated) kid. In open institutions, you do NOT have the right to study. There is a particularly bad example of a kid that claims to have put a knife in the throat of a social worker to be allowed to study, and yes, he finished high school (at home, by the way, the prison camp didn't keep him there for more than 2 weeks after the "incident" and yes, they have the right to make that decision)
croes 1mo ago
There is something more worrying than the underscore mistake. How could he get convicted if they didn't find any evidence? It's one thing to get the wrong guy, but another to put him in jail without any evidence.

by RaSoJo 2mo ago

nubg 2mo ago

> Do hope he can claim compensation... Can any UK lawyer chime in?

OJFord 2mo ago
This is an error by US (Wisconsin) police misidentifying a man in (Halifax, Nova Scotia) Canada. Why do you want to hear from a UK lawyer? It sounds like the appeal hasn't actually happened/completed yet anyway, that they're trying to raise public interest/outrage to help the case.
- walrus01 2mo ago
  The appeal has been completed and he's been acquitted. Note the past tense in how the CBC wrote this part: "The Wisconsin police identified Mr. Klayme as the offender using the incorrect username. His conviction rested on the internet username being attributed to him,” the appeal panel wrote. The Appeal Court decision said no evidence was found linking Klayme to the girl, the Kik conversations, or the intimate images. In addition to an acquittal entered on the charges, the sentence and ancillary orders against Klayme were vacated.
  - OJFord 2mo ago
    Thanks, it was: > "This is not a situation where an acquittal is entered because the Crown has failed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt the essential elements of an offence or an error during the trial made the verdict unsafe," the appeal panel wrote. That confused me – but I see now it's supposed to connect to the next paragraph (?!) – "it's not that there was procedural error, it's that he was completely innocent all along". (I do think it's written poorly, but I also haven't had a coffee yet..)

spwa4 2mo ago

The justice system has rules for compensation when they make mistakes. They differ across countries, but one thing is for sure: You, as a private citizen and thus a target/victim of this, are not going to like them at all. It's something like 20$ per full day locked up in middle America, and 0 for any pretrial detention. Ie. after 2 months your wage and/or unemployment benefits go to zero and if you're innocent you get what is effectively a replacement "wage" of 7300$ per year with deductions. Your rent, of course, does not go to zero. Nor does any other obligation, from Netflix to child support payments. The main deduction from that 7300$ is whether or not the judge later declared pretrial detention the actual sentence, which they very often do, as especially in the last decade pretrial detention can exceed the punishment for the crime. This means everything goes to zero for pretrial detention. There is no limit to the duration of pretrial detention. Oh and the justice system for adults actually does have some form of compensation, as in there is something. If you're a minor, youth services, famous for studies pointing out every decision they make is based on incorrect information (ie. everybody lies to youth services, kids, parents, schools, sports clubs, and of course youth services itself, the justice system and institutions, aside from the massive difference in perspective, all parties are extremely incentivized to lie in essentially all situations, and that is perfectly legal), there is not any form of compensation. There are minors locked up in America with the reasoning akin to "We're 100% sure you did NOT do the crime you're accused of but we still think you need to be protected". Yes, protected, that's why there's no compensation. The prison camp with barbed wire (which you can see on Netflix "Girls Incarcerated", for example) is only for protection. And you know what the really bad part is. In the barbed wire prison camp, you have the RIGHT to study, as a "protected" (ie. incarcerated) kid. In open institutions, you do NOT have the right to study. There is a particularly bad example of a kid that claims to have put a knife in the throat of a social worker to be allowed to study, and yes, he finished high school (at home, by the way, the prison camp didn't keep him there for more than 2 weeks after the "incident" and yes, they have the right to make that decision)

croes 1mo ago

There is something more worrying than the underscore mistake. How could he get convicted if they didn't find any evidence? It's one thing to get the wrong guy, but another to put him in jail without any evidence.