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I am worried that this might happen to websites soon. If you want your website to be openable on Apple devices, you would have to pay Apple a fee each month. I

I am worried that this might happen to websites soon. If you want your website to be openable on Apple devices, you would have to pay Apple a fee each month. If you want your website to be openable on Android devices, you would have to pay Google a fee ecah month, etc.

tonyhart7 2mo ago
we can just fork android edit: I not realizing that I been replying to wrong comment
- rcMgD2BwE72F 2mo ago
  Ah yes, Android without the Play Store. So you won't be able to use your banking apps, your local transport app, public services apps, health services apps, etc. But sure, you can do SMS (no RCS though), use the device calculator, and maybe browse the Web… until websites kick you out because your non Chrome/Safari browser isn't supported anymore. Even Signal won't work well due to the lack of FCM. And I'm a GrapheneOS user happy with Obtainium and without Play Services installed in main user space.
  - tonyhart7 2mo ago
    the situation is not ideal but this is the best we can do
  - BoxwoodSeed 2mo ago
    I always disable everything Google that comes preinstalled other than maps, including the App store. You can download stuff that you can only get there through Aurora, but really most of what I use comes from F-Droid. Not that I trust a device running Android enough to do banking, mind you.
avian 2mo ago
I am thinking how this would split the web. You would have the "new web" consisting of the top n major websites paying this fee. And then you would have the "old web", accessible only to people still owning their own PCs with unrestricted browsers. And probably heavily scrapped by AI companies to reguritate to the masses through the new web.
IshKebab 2mo ago
That's already the case for Netflix and other video streaming services. You don't have to pay a fee directly, but you can't use open source web browsers.
microtonal 2mo ago
I am worried that this might happen to websites soon. You mean the new recaptcha that requires remote attestation? https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2026/07/googles-new-remote-attestation-scheme-every-bit-terrible-its-old-remote https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2026/07/googles-new-remote-att... Obviously, it doesn't have the fee part. But Google can decide soon for a substantial number of websites which devices can visit them and which not.
- anticensor 2mo ago
  That's not a new version, that's a variant of v2. v3 is still completely non-interactive.

tonyhart7 2mo ago

we can just fork android edit: I not realizing that I been replying to wrong comment

rcMgD2BwE72F 2mo ago
Ah yes, Android without the Play Store. So you won't be able to use your banking apps, your local transport app, public services apps, health services apps, etc. But sure, you can do SMS (no RCS though), use the device calculator, and maybe browse the Web… until websites kick you out because your non Chrome/Safari browser isn't supported anymore. Even Signal won't work well due to the lack of FCM. And I'm a GrapheneOS user happy with Obtainium and without Play Services installed in main user space.
- tonyhart7 2mo ago
  the situation is not ideal but this is the best we can do
- BoxwoodSeed 2mo ago
  I always disable everything Google that comes preinstalled other than maps, including the App store. You can download stuff that you can only get there through Aurora, but really most of what I use comes from F-Droid. Not that I trust a device running Android enough to do banking, mind you.

avian 2mo ago

I am thinking how this would split the web. You would have the "new web" consisting of the top n major websites paying this fee. And then you would have the "old web", accessible only to people still owning their own PCs with unrestricted browsers. And probably heavily scrapped by AI companies to reguritate to the masses through the new web.

IshKebab 2mo ago

That's already the case for Netflix and other video streaming services. You don't have to pay a fee directly, but you can't use open source web browsers.

microtonal 2mo ago

I am worried that this might happen to websites soon. You mean the new recaptcha that requires remote attestation? https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2026/07/googles-new-remote-attestation-scheme-every-bit-terrible-its-old-remote https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2026/07/googles-new-remote-att... Obviously, it doesn't have the fee part. But Google can decide soon for a substantial number of websites which devices can visit them and which not.

anticensor 2mo ago
That's not a new version, that's a variant of v2. v3 is still completely non-interactive.