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It was a false positive for what it was worth - https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/fda-says-taylor-farms-lettuce-sample-tested-cyclospora-produced-false

It was a false positive for what it was worth - https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/fda-says-taylor-farms-lettuce-sample-tested-cyclospora-produced-false-rcna588303 https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/fda-says-taylor-f...

Tostino 2mo ago
At this point, why would I trust what they say?
- 3eb7988a1663 2mo ago
  This is the most upsetting thing about everything that is happening. Like, sure I have plenty of criticisms about the FDA, but by and large, I thought the body was slowly working in the direction of the public good. Once you destroy that trust, every single announcement becomes suspect. You no longer have anything you can believe.
  - rland 2mo ago
    It’s so unbelievably destructive. We had a kid recently and I was looking up vaccine research. Do we have to prod the kid with the Hepatitis B vaccine at birth? I looked it up and promptly said, “well, CDC actually just came out with a thing that says it’s optional.” Wife turned to me and said, uh yeah, and who is the new director of the HHS now? Looked it up, and I come to find that many scientists were opposed to the decision to make it optional. Yep, now I’ll be second guessing everything I read from the CDC. Good news though, I can ask a fucking AI Chatbot what to do. As a normal person with basic civic values this shit makes me so mad. It’s beyond disgusting. The gates of Hell are wide open for these people.
    - duskdozer 2mo ago
      Uhh, I'll just say please run your AI chatbot medical research by your wife first.
      - Tostino 2mo ago
        I read the AI chatbot part as sarcasm fwiw.
        rland 2mo ago
        Yeah guess in hindsight that didn’t read as clear as it should have. The chat bot is only even correct because of obvious, authoritative, trustworthy sources like the CDC. Makes it even more enraging to see bot tech makers meeting with the destroyers of truth.
        duskdozer 2mo ago
        Aw geez. Poe'd. In my defense it really, really doesn't seem far off from what I've seen online and occasionally with people irl.
        Tostino 2mo ago
        Been there dude. I get it.
  - ethin 2mo ago
    And if you don't think the Republican's will use this distrust to their advantage, well, I have a bridge to sell you. It's a very common tactic by them: create a problem that never existed, then wine about said problem.
    - dredmorbius 2mo ago
      They'll wine, and dine. But also whine.
      - ethin 2mo ago
        Yep why not both?
mlyle 2mo ago
It's my understanding that it was traced definitively to Taylor Farms, but the only positive test may have been a false positive. You don't always get a positive test, but this doesn't necessarily prevent you from concluding the cause of food contamination.
- stogot 2mo ago
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  - Terr_ 2mo ago
    > So it’s a false positive? They already told you clearly, so it sounds like you're trying to browbeat them with a fallacy of equivocation over the scope of "it". These things are not equivalent: 1. A biological test for a parasite in a sample of equipment/material from the factory. (Claimed as false-positive.) 2. The analysis of the supply-chain for the food that sickened people which led to that facility as a common factor. (Presumably still accurate.) ___________ To use a criminal-investigation metaphor: Suppose a dead woman is found covered in knife wounds, and the circumstantial evidence leads to one Knifey McStabberson, since he (A) previously dated the woman and (B) sent a death-threat once via text-message, and (C) has a collection of hundreds of suitably-sized knives. Investigators notice one that looks bloody, and test it... It's her blood! Wait, oops, no, false-positive, it was something else. What is your takeaway from the story so far? Is it that Knifey McStabberson himself is "a false-positive" and obviously totally innocent... or is it that it would be a good idea to check more of the knives scattered around his house and in his car?
    - roughly 2mo ago
      Christ, man, hasn’t the McStabberson family been through enough? Do you not have the decency to finally bring this witch hunt to an end?!
      - Terr_ 2mo ago
        Meh, I don't see how I could make anything worse, with how they were featured in Leave it to Cleaver, and recently dissed in that song by the Full-Tang Clan.
conception 2mo ago
Taylor Farms also gave Maga Inc a million dollars six days after the FDA pushed a food safety rule back.
- KennyBlanken 2mo ago
  "That $1 million donation came six days after the FDA announced plans to delay the enforcement of a "food traceability rule" that would affect fresh fruits and vegetables, among other products, until 2028. The rule is unrelated to the inspection of fresh produce — it requires companies to track products at seven different key points in the supply chain to better prevent foodborne illness outbreaks." https://www.snopes.com/news/2026/07/21/taylor-farms-trump-donations-meeting/ https://www.snopes.com/news/2026/07/21/taylor-farms-trump-do...
pacomerh 2mo ago
How can you believe this?, look at the signs. Its too obvious someone got paid to say that.
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lovich 2mo ago
> FDA says... This admin has lied repeatedly. Why would any of us believe a statement solely because the admin said it? Do we need to give them the benefit of the doubt despite how many times they lie?
- vkou 2mo ago
  The press seems to think that someone who lies whenever their lips are moving deserves an elevated platform.
- themaninthedark 2mo ago
  This is the same argument that the anti-vaxers had about the COVID vaccine. My only advice is to become a domain expert or have friends who are domain experts.
  - lovich 2mo ago
    No, it’s not. During the COVID pandemic situations we’re evolving quickly and the admin admitted they were wrong previously or had updated their views based on new information. If you ask this admin about their obviously incorrect or fallacious statements their response is to call you a nasty person or piggy and then double down on the lies.
    - themaninthedark 2mo ago
      Don't gaslight. It was very possible at the beginning of COVID that it was an airborne virus. However the CDC proclaimed that there was no evidence, therefore no one should wear masks. https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/cdc-reverses-again-now-says-covid-19-sometimes-airborne-n1242167 https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/cdc-reverses-agai... >In March 2020, as the pandemic began, Anthony Fauci, the chief medical adviser to the president of the United States, explained in a 60 Minutes interview that he felt community use of masks was unnecessary. A few months later, he argued that his statements were not meant to imply that he felt the data to justify the use of cloth masks was insufficient. Rather, he said, had he endorsed mask wearing (of any kind), mass panic would ensue and lead to a surgical and N95 mask shortage among health care workers, who needed the masks more. https://slate.com/technology/2021/07/noble-lies-covid-fauci-cdc-masks.html https://slate.com/technology/2021/07/noble-lies-covid-fauci-... There was also the messaging that the vaccine did not cause myocarditis. >This obvious error was compounded weeks later during a meeting of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices. The committee met to discuss what we knew and did not know about heart inflammation, or myocarditis, that had been linked to mRNA vaccination, and most notable in young men who received the vaccine. I agree that the current administration is bad but I can't call it worse because the prior administration worked to illegally censor it's critics. https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/115561/documents/HHRG-118-IF16-20230328-SD017.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwimkILu0e6VAxUS38kDHcEBDnIQFnoECE4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw0hez0Ia9jD7ZPxt4Qw99rp https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/115561/documents/... The administrative agencies response to the pandemic was very telling, there were multiple large conversations here with lots of comments about how we were being lied to.
dyauspitr 2mo ago
It’s not worth much because the take away from this is you can call and pay to have heinous crimes pushed under the rug. It’s simple corruption, and devastating.

Tostino 2mo ago

At this point, why would I trust what they say?

3eb7988a1663 2mo ago
This is the most upsetting thing about everything that is happening. Like, sure I have plenty of criticisms about the FDA, but by and large, I thought the body was slowly working in the direction of the public good. Once you destroy that trust, every single announcement becomes suspect. You no longer have anything you can believe.
- rland 2mo ago
  It’s so unbelievably destructive. We had a kid recently and I was looking up vaccine research. Do we have to prod the kid with the Hepatitis B vaccine at birth? I looked it up and promptly said, “well, CDC actually just came out with a thing that says it’s optional.” Wife turned to me and said, uh yeah, and who is the new director of the HHS now? Looked it up, and I come to find that many scientists were opposed to the decision to make it optional. Yep, now I’ll be second guessing everything I read from the CDC. Good news though, I can ask a fucking AI Chatbot what to do. As a normal person with basic civic values this shit makes me so mad. It’s beyond disgusting. The gates of Hell are wide open for these people.
  - duskdozer 2mo ago
    Uhh, I'll just say please run your AI chatbot medical research by your wife first.
    - Tostino 2mo ago
      I read the AI chatbot part as sarcasm fwiw.
      - rland 2mo ago
        Yeah guess in hindsight that didn’t read as clear as it should have. The chat bot is only even correct because of obvious, authoritative, trustworthy sources like the CDC. Makes it even more enraging to see bot tech makers meeting with the destroyers of truth.
      - duskdozer 2mo ago
        Aw geez. Poe'd. In my defense it really, really doesn't seem far off from what I've seen online and occasionally with people irl.
        Tostino 2mo ago
        Been there dude. I get it.
- ethin 2mo ago
  And if you don't think the Republican's will use this distrust to their advantage, well, I have a bridge to sell you. It's a very common tactic by them: create a problem that never existed, then wine about said problem.
  - dredmorbius 2mo ago
    They'll wine, and dine. But also whine.
    - ethin 2mo ago
      Yep why not both?

mlyle 2mo ago

It's my understanding that it was traced definitively to Taylor Farms, but the only positive test may have been a false positive. You don't always get a positive test, but this doesn't necessarily prevent you from concluding the cause of food contamination.

stogot 2mo ago
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- Terr_ 2mo ago
  > So it’s a false positive? They already told you clearly, so it sounds like you're trying to browbeat them with a fallacy of equivocation over the scope of "it". These things are not equivalent: 1. A biological test for a parasite in a sample of equipment/material from the factory. (Claimed as false-positive.) 2. The analysis of the supply-chain for the food that sickened people which led to that facility as a common factor. (Presumably still accurate.) ___________ To use a criminal-investigation metaphor: Suppose a dead woman is found covered in knife wounds, and the circumstantial evidence leads to one Knifey McStabberson, since he (A) previously dated the woman and (B) sent a death-threat once via text-message, and (C) has a collection of hundreds of suitably-sized knives. Investigators notice one that looks bloody, and test it... It's her blood! Wait, oops, no, false-positive, it was something else. What is your takeaway from the story so far? Is it that Knifey McStabberson himself is "a false-positive" and obviously totally innocent... or is it that it would be a good idea to check more of the knives scattered around his house and in his car?
  - roughly 2mo ago
    Christ, man, hasn’t the McStabberson family been through enough? Do you not have the decency to finally bring this witch hunt to an end?!
    - Terr_ 2mo ago
      Meh, I don't see how I could make anything worse, with how they were featured in Leave it to Cleaver, and recently dissed in that song by the Full-Tang Clan.

conception 2mo ago

Taylor Farms also gave Maga Inc a million dollars six days after the FDA pushed a food safety rule back.

KennyBlanken 2mo ago
"That $1 million donation came six days after the FDA announced plans to delay the enforcement of a "food traceability rule" that would affect fresh fruits and vegetables, among other products, until 2028. The rule is unrelated to the inspection of fresh produce — it requires companies to track products at seven different key points in the supply chain to better prevent foodborne illness outbreaks." https://www.snopes.com/news/2026/07/21/taylor-farms-trump-donations-meeting/ https://www.snopes.com/news/2026/07/21/taylor-farms-trump-do...

pacomerh 2mo ago

How can you believe this?, look at the signs. Its too obvious someone got paid to say that.

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lovich 2mo ago

> FDA says... This admin has lied repeatedly. Why would any of us believe a statement solely because the admin said it? Do we need to give them the benefit of the doubt despite how many times they lie?

vkou 2mo ago
The press seems to think that someone who lies whenever their lips are moving deserves an elevated platform.
themaninthedark 2mo ago
This is the same argument that the anti-vaxers had about the COVID vaccine. My only advice is to become a domain expert or have friends who are domain experts.
- lovich 2mo ago
  No, it’s not. During the COVID pandemic situations we’re evolving quickly and the admin admitted they were wrong previously or had updated their views based on new information. If you ask this admin about their obviously incorrect or fallacious statements their response is to call you a nasty person or piggy and then double down on the lies.
  - themaninthedark 2mo ago
    Don't gaslight. It was very possible at the beginning of COVID that it was an airborne virus. However the CDC proclaimed that there was no evidence, therefore no one should wear masks. https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/cdc-reverses-again-now-says-covid-19-sometimes-airborne-n1242167 https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/cdc-reverses-agai... >In March 2020, as the pandemic began, Anthony Fauci, the chief medical adviser to the president of the United States, explained in a 60 Minutes interview that he felt community use of masks was unnecessary. A few months later, he argued that his statements were not meant to imply that he felt the data to justify the use of cloth masks was insufficient. Rather, he said, had he endorsed mask wearing (of any kind), mass panic would ensue and lead to a surgical and N95 mask shortage among health care workers, who needed the masks more. https://slate.com/technology/2021/07/noble-lies-covid-fauci-cdc-masks.html https://slate.com/technology/2021/07/noble-lies-covid-fauci-... There was also the messaging that the vaccine did not cause myocarditis. >This obvious error was compounded weeks later during a meeting of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices. The committee met to discuss what we knew and did not know about heart inflammation, or myocarditis, that had been linked to mRNA vaccination, and most notable in young men who received the vaccine. I agree that the current administration is bad but I can't call it worse because the prior administration worked to illegally censor it's critics. https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/115561/documents/HHRG-118-IF16-20230328-SD017.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwimkILu0e6VAxUS38kDHcEBDnIQFnoECE4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw0hez0Ia9jD7ZPxt4Qw99rp https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/115561/documents/... The administrative agencies response to the pandemic was very telling, there were multiple large conversations here with lots of comments about how we were being lied to.

dyauspitr 2mo ago

It’s not worth much because the take away from this is you can call and pay to have heinous crimes pushed under the rug. It’s simple corruption, and devastating.