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I'd rather companies actually care (or even just care about seeming to care) about ethics, rather than only caring what makes the line go up the fastest, yes.
by hogwasher 2mo ago
I'd rather companies actually care (or even just care about seeming to care) about ethics, rather than only caring what makes the line go up the fastest, yes.
A company that treats ethics as optional, or that thinks "it's a business" excuses every imaginable sin, is one that will happily screw you and me over too.
Also, in the long term, making climate change worse is a catastrophically bad decision for absolutely everybody. Companies just have to look past the ends of their own noses to see the immediate, quick payout of not giving a fuck about it is like accepting payment to dig their own graves.
Also, this is probably, in part, about all the cryto scams everywhere. Companies don't like legal trouble.
Anyway, anybody who's sane backs up their source code. If a company burns you, and it's not a monopoly, you leave it. It's not a problem.
- bko 2mo agoI'd rather companies just provide me a service at a reasonable price. I don't need a corporation imposing it's ethics on me.
- inigyou 2mo agoWell this is a charity providing services for free. If you want to be provided a service for a price, go elsewhere.
- tarpitt 2mo agoThat money had to have come from somewhere, whether it was taxpayers or individuals. What if I donated? Is it cool to just roll over and allow political groups to hijack a previously neutral service? Also there are other projects hosted there, and network effects involved.
- inigyou 2mo agoProbably if you become a member you'll have more ability to discuss with the other members and the board and the operators, yes. Clearly they are setting limits on a case-by-case basis where needed. If something like GNOME was on Codeberg, they'd happily raise the storage quota for them. So they can also exempt you from the AI code rule if you have a really good reason, which you don't. They have noted somewhere (it's linked in this thread) that most vibe-coders act like they're big and valuable software projects (like GNOME), and use commensurate resources, even though they aren't. This is what they want to block. If you were actually GNOME and you were vibe-coding, they'd probably let you.
- inigyou 2mo agothat note I just referenced is here: https://blog.codeberg.org/protecting-our-floss-commons-from-llms.html https://blog.codeberg.org/protecting-our-floss-commons-from-...
- 1shooner 2mo ago>What if I donated? Then you would have been a supporting member, and had the opportunity to vote on this decision.
- CaptainFever 2mo agoWhat if I was an active member, and voted no?
- 1shooner 2mo agoI don't understand the complaint. This is the most participatory governance model of any of your options for this service category. If that's not enough for you, you really should just host your own.
- Blazara 2mo agoThen it's moved in a direction you don't like and you can withdraw? What happens when someone you don't like, that you donated money to, changes stance?
- Timon3 2mo agoThis step perfectly aligns with the political direction Codeberg had from the very start. Who are you to now come in and demand they change to fit your political stance? This isn't very cool of you.
- Blazara 2mo agoThere is no such thing as a neutral service.
- KptMarchewa 2mo agoYet they bend under fascist requests like current US administration.
- inigyou 2mo agoCodeberg? Did they? I know large corporations do it because they fear commercial retaliation, but Codeberg is a registered German charity by German citizens living in Germany and has absolutely no reason to give a flying fuck what the US president thinks. Which is incredibly based.
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- insane_dreamer 2mo agothen pay for GitHub; Codeberg is free, for FOSS. You're not their target user.
- mlrtime 2mo agoThe problem is they can change their mind at a whim and all of a sudden you are on the other side of what they care about. Not worth the risk, I'd say don't use them.
- Forgeties79 2mo agoAnd go where instead? GitHub?
- ModernMech 2mo agoCan't every company do that at any time though? How is being on the other side of an ethical line different or more risky from being on the other side of a spreadsheet-driven line. One day you're in a green cell and it's all good, the next you're in a red cell and on the other side of what they care about (just green cells).
- Blazara 2mo agoYou're describing literally every organisation you could contribute to.
- tarpitt 2mo ago[flagged]
- surgical_fire 2mo agoCodeberg is based on Berlin, Germany. Germany doesn't have a "Freedom of Speech" first amendment. As far as I know that is endemic to the US. If you dislike their stance you can host your cryptocurrency scam elsewhere, there is no shortage of git hosting services.
- tarpitt 2mo agoI didn't say it violated the first ammendment. I said it violated the principle of free speech. It's the same principle that justifies your ability to post in this discussion here, right now, despite the fact that you don't believe in it yourself. Maybe we should campaign to ban all left-wing aligned projects from all major git hosting services. No big deal right? After all they can just go somewhere else. No, clearly this is not reasonable. But I say this to demonstrate that your ability operate in society at large depends on the same principle of free speech that you do not extend to others.
- mapotofu 2mo agoHey. It isn’t the same principle. We have guidelines here, too. For instance: “ Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity.” “Avoid generic tangents.” Etc.
- surgical_fire 2mo ago> It's the same principle that justifies your ability to post in this discussion here, right now, despite the fact that you don't believe in it yourself. HN has rules. I can be banned if I violate them. It seems this very site does not uphold the free speech principle all that much. > Maybe we should campaign to ban all left-wing aligned projects from all major git hosting services. Sure, if it suits them. Fine by me. I believe in freedom of association. There are some limitations for certain public services to avoid discrimination and segregation, but apart for that, I don't care. In fact, I host my own Gitea instance for my private projects. > But I say this to demonstrate that your ability operate in society at large depends on the same principle of free speech that you do not extend to others. It absolutely does not. Speech was not completely free in any country I lived in, and society worked out fine. There is a degree of freedom within the democratic framework of those countries, but there are absolutely rules limiting speech. And it is fine, societies are all about compromises.
- jacooper 2mo agoThe decision to stop hosting such projects on codeberg will change nothing, it will just make it clear that its not a serious competitor. Its like how the EU kneecaps everything related to energy because of the climate while literally the best case scenarios for the EU lawa is to be 0.1 colder, because the EU isn't the bigger emitter. It just doesn't matter.
- AnthonyMouse 2mo agoThe biggest problems with energy policy in the EU haven't been about climate. If they were they wouldn't have been shutting down nuclear to burn Russian gas, nor would they have been suffering the high prices when that Russian gas got less available. Moreover, the EU is a large market. If they e.g. switch to electric cars, it's not just them switching to electric cars, it's all the carmakers who want to continue selling into that market, who in turn design electric rather than ICE cars that they sell everywhere and increase the economies of scale for battery production which makes them more economical everywhere.