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What Chutzpah you've got, born in US has the right to be a citizen of the settler state but natives cannot return and you want us all to support your Judeo-supr

What Chutzpah you've got, born in US has the right to be a citizen of the settler state but natives cannot return and you want us all to support your Judeo-supremacist terrorist state? Take your hasbara somewhere else. Saudi, China etc are not settler states which deny equal rights to their people of certain race or ethnicity or religion, and they don't get $3 billion in aid from US for 7 million people of a preferred race only. Israeli apartheid regime gets more aid than sub-Saharan Africa and entire Latin America combined. Saudi, China etc haven't violated dozens or UN resolutions and don't get US diplomatic shielding for their war crimes. They are criticised for their brutal actions and so should Israeli terror be criticised. Stop demanding special treatment for your settler state. You can talk when you give equal rights to Palestinians, when you give the natives the right to return, at least the same rights as a US-born settler, if not more because they are the rightful owners of their land.

reuven 14y ago
The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is one of two national/ethnic groups having claim to the same piece of land. I accept the fact that Israel must compromise with the Palestinians, and relinquish some of the land that it has captured. I remember when this was a radical suggestion among Israelis; it is now quite mainstream, although you wouldn't know it from listening to our elected officials. To confuse this attitude with the superficial propaganda that our government puts out, and to say that the Palestinians (and not Jews) are the "rightful owners of the land," is a recipe for non-compromise and for continued conflict. Israel isn't going anywhere, and neither are Israelis. But the Palestinians aren't about to disappear, either. We can work together to try to resolve this conflict, accepting that each side has a claim to the land and attempting to share it -- or we, and our children, and their children, can continue to fight and live in fear. Remember how Germany and France fought, again and again, for oh-so-many years? After World War II, they decided that it was in their mutual best interest to connect their economies through what would eventually become the European Union. Perhaps, if we can connect and encourage cooperation between the Israeli and Palestinian economies, especially in the high-tech sector, we can begin to see such interdependence and trust in the Middle East, too.
- accountswu 14y ago
  What is your point? You want to have your apartheid and eat it too and no one should dare call it what it is? Do you support the rights of the Jaffa-born and Haifa-born and Deir Yaseen-born Palestinians to return to their land and have at least the rights a US-born settler has? Currently the wing nuts of Israel (I.e. the rightist as well as leftists) are not willing to give those rights and neither is the wide majority of Israeli Jews. Until they are forced to give equal rights they should be boycotted and you should stand for the boycott, not against. Germany had to end the occupation of France and the rights of French were not that of second class citizens when they did all the nice cooperative things you mentioned.
  - eranation 14y ago
    I think Israel will not willingly give right of return to the refugees, regardless if it's justified or not, giving all Palestinian refugees rights to go back as equal Israeli citizens will mean majority to the Palestinians in the next Israeli elections and the end of the state of Israel. Not something the state of Israel will likely accept as it will mean a Palestinian prime minister ruling the state which includes commanding the Israeli army, Israeli police, intelligence etc. This is one of the top debate issues between the Palestinians and Israel - what to do with the refugees. Monetary compensation is most likely what will happen in a final agreement, and some Palestinians accept it as a fact, even though the public voice there is for physical return of refugees, they know that they can't force Israel to make a decision that will result in it's elimination.
    - accountswu 14y ago
      So the American and Belgian and Russian Jews will not give equal rights to the Palestinians and you won't even give them a state on the tiny 18-20% of their original land. That is precisely what my problem is with the Israeli apartheid regime and it should be the problem of any half decent human being to stop the apartheid. in case you had not realised, this will not last. The US (and its client states such as Canada and some tiny Pacific islands) cannot keep your status as superior and keep giving you shielding despite bombings, home demolitions and new Jewish-only settlements. Either you have to give at least nominally equal rights to Palestinians or you have to prepare for the Algerian solution (French settlers had to pack up and leave). Until that, your apartheid state should be boycotted monetarily, diplomatically and culturally.

reuven 14y ago

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is one of two national/ethnic groups having claim to the same piece of land. I accept the fact that Israel must compromise with the Palestinians, and relinquish some of the land that it has captured. I remember when this was a radical suggestion among Israelis; it is now quite mainstream, although you wouldn't know it from listening to our elected officials. To confuse this attitude with the superficial propaganda that our government puts out, and to say that the Palestinians (and not Jews) are the "rightful owners of the land," is a recipe for non-compromise and for continued conflict. Israel isn't going anywhere, and neither are Israelis. But the Palestinians aren't about to disappear, either. We can work together to try to resolve this conflict, accepting that each side has a claim to the land and attempting to share it -- or we, and our children, and their children, can continue to fight and live in fear. Remember how Germany and France fought, again and again, for oh-so-many years? After World War II, they decided that it was in their mutual best interest to connect their economies through what would eventually become the European Union. Perhaps, if we can connect and encourage cooperation between the Israeli and Palestinian economies, especially in the high-tech sector, we can begin to see such interdependence and trust in the Middle East, too.

accountswu 14y ago
What is your point? You want to have your apartheid and eat it too and no one should dare call it what it is? Do you support the rights of the Jaffa-born and Haifa-born and Deir Yaseen-born Palestinians to return to their land and have at least the rights a US-born settler has? Currently the wing nuts of Israel (I.e. the rightist as well as leftists) are not willing to give those rights and neither is the wide majority of Israeli Jews. Until they are forced to give equal rights they should be boycotted and you should stand for the boycott, not against. Germany had to end the occupation of France and the rights of French were not that of second class citizens when they did all the nice cooperative things you mentioned.
- eranation 14y ago
  I think Israel will not willingly give right of return to the refugees, regardless if it's justified or not, giving all Palestinian refugees rights to go back as equal Israeli citizens will mean majority to the Palestinians in the next Israeli elections and the end of the state of Israel. Not something the state of Israel will likely accept as it will mean a Palestinian prime minister ruling the state which includes commanding the Israeli army, Israeli police, intelligence etc. This is one of the top debate issues between the Palestinians and Israel - what to do with the refugees. Monetary compensation is most likely what will happen in a final agreement, and some Palestinians accept it as a fact, even though the public voice there is for physical return of refugees, they know that they can't force Israel to make a decision that will result in it's elimination.
  - accountswu 14y ago
    So the American and Belgian and Russian Jews will not give equal rights to the Palestinians and you won't even give them a state on the tiny 18-20% of their original land. That is precisely what my problem is with the Israeli apartheid regime and it should be the problem of any half decent human being to stop the apartheid. in case you had not realised, this will not last. The US (and its client states such as Canada and some tiny Pacific islands) cannot keep your status as superior and keep giving you shielding despite bombings, home demolitions and new Jewish-only settlements. Either you have to give at least nominally equal rights to Palestinians or you have to prepare for the Algerian solution (French settlers had to pack up and leave). Until that, your apartheid state should be boycotted monetarily, diplomatically and culturally.