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> the Chinese models really are slow and token-inefficient This totally depends on the model. Deepseek V4 is very fast and efficient.
by simjnd 2mo ago
> the Chinese models really are slow and token-inefficient
This totally depends on the model. Deepseek V4 is very fast and efficient.
- paulddraper 2mo agoNot close to frontier. But yes, it’s cheap.
- simjnd 2mo agoThe comment I replied to didn't mention anything about being close to frontier, just a blanket statement about Chinese Labs models being slow and inefficient. People talk about frontier as if it's the only innovation worth pursuing. Deepseek V4 is far from fontier, but it's architecture is super innovative and efficient and what it achieves at that size (especially V4 Flash) is incredible.
- paulddraper 2mo ago> Having tested K3, Qwen 3.8 max preview, Fable and Sol for the past few days, the Chinese models really are slow and token-inefficient. Those are all frontier-competitive models.
- simjnd 2mo agoI guess Deepseek V4 is too now that it's out of preview.
- senko 2mo agoFWIW my observation was about the models I tested, but I can see how it could be taken as a general statement.