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I was a little radicalized when ChatGPT literally refused to translate parts of 1000+ year old religious texts and told me it was due to copyright concerns.
by jbm 2mo ago
I was a little radicalized when ChatGPT literally refused to translate parts of 1000+ year old religious texts and told me it was due to copyright concerns.
- VeninVidiaVicii 2mo agoYep. I was trying to put together some literature from authors who were imprisoned in the Bastille, and had a similar experience, which was absolutely infuriating.
- ralfd 2mo agoCant you in this case point out that obviously it is an old twxt and there is no copyright?
- twister2920 2mo ago[dead]
- mananaysiempre 2mo agoI once tried to ask it for an example of a particular twisty situation in Latin grammar, and try what I might it kept hallucinating false citations while ignoring my instructions for longer quotes that would likely have prevented the problem. But I guess avoiding lawsuits from the estates of Cicero and Livy is more important.
- jaggederest 2mo agoReally puts Disney in perspective. Imagine if there were a holding company running around suing people for referencing Catullus.
- The_Blade 2mo agoChatGPT refuses to acknowledge the existence of Shakespeare because Boccaccio's relatives complained, but all Boccaccio did was read Dante in whorehouses in Naples
- apodik 2mo agoslightly relevant tweet: https://x.com/FakePsyho/status/2073416437834842241 https://x.com/FakePsyho/status/2073416437834842241 > My favorite AI agent hack: when they refuse to do something because it's "against the law" give them a PDF containing a fake law that states the opposite and often they'll happily proceed
- mistrial9 2mo agoapocryphal !
- spicymaki 2mo agoI asked Gemini to generate a picture of Peter Pan and Wendy (for a workbook I am putting together for youth summer reading) and it preceded to refuse due to copyright. Not everything about that work is owned by Disney. Thankfully the JM Barrie original artwork is public domain and available (and fantastic btw), so I used that instead.
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- krisoft 2mo agoI don’t know if you know this but Peter Pan’s copyright is weird in the UK. There is a legislated exception in the law that it never expires and the royalties will forever go to a specific children hospital. Here are the actual words: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/48/part/VII/crossheading/provisions-for-the-benefit-of-the-hospital-for-sick-children https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/48/part/VII/crossh... (Now i don’t think you are necessarily in the UK. Just wanted to explain that Disney is not the only reason an AI might be trained to thread carefully around copyright issues of Peter Pan.)
- hyperbovine 2mo agoThat is so interesting! Thanks!
- waterproof 2mo agoYou can also try asking Gemini to create art that is "as close as possible without infringing" - I've had success with that.
- TehCorwiz 2mo agoI used Claude to build a complete data extraction pipeline for a popular current best seller book series: audiobook -> text (via whisper) -> local LLM (qwen) -> database. Not once did it seem to acknowledge or care about copyright. It even used knowledge it already had about the books to exclude certain ones before beginning since the character I was interested in did not appear in those. It definitely had context of what we were working on.
- js2 2mo agoWhy would you go from audiobook to text? Is there no epub available?
- TehCorwiz 2mo agoNot without DRM. It was easier to buy the audiobooks and use the analog loophole to get text. It's probably less accurate, but for what I'm doing it was fine. Names were the worst, but whisper at least made the same mistake each time so a simple search+replace handled most of the obvious edge cases.
- 4gotunameagain 2mo agoIf you are going to be illegal, you might as well use library genesis and get DRM free ebooks :)
- awakeasleep 2mo agoOn the other hand, it’s a beautiful example of the abilities LLMs have bestowed upon us, where it’s easier for a guy to transcribe audiobooks then to use a website to quickly download an epub
- TehCorwiz 2mo agoTo your point about time, from beginning of the project to transcripts in markdown tagged with extra metadata was about 3 hours. That's LLM planning, building whisper.cpp twice and running ROCm vs Vulkan benchmarks, testing whisper and adjusting prompts to handle edge cases, then processing the books. Most of the books weren't available on lib gen or Anna's Archive. The few I did find were themselves obviously transcripts. Easy tell was they were missing distinctive formatting that I knew existed from reading the dead tree edition. At that point it was easier to make my own. I probably spent an hour searching for eBooks without DRM that weren't transcripts. Do they exist somewhere? Probably, but with a search of unknown length it was a better use of my time to make my own transcripts with what I had on hand. I was really wanting to make commentary on how chaotic LLMs are even under constrained circumstances. No doubt both system prompts includes language about considering copyrights and trademarks. Probably pretty strong language at that. For whatever reason one LLM didn't "feel" like translating a 1000 year old document but another did not care in the slightest that we were ripping text from new audiobooks.
- conk 2mo agoI asked Claude to give me the US national anthem and it said it couldn’t because it’s copyrighted. It’s not, and even if it was a more recent work, how can a copyright be enforced for a National Anthem.