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For Ukraine it's very much an existential war. If they lose, Ukraine will cease to exist. The only way of winning is, well, winning this war. It is also very mu

by enopod_ 2mo ago

For Ukraine it's very much an existential war. If they lose, Ukraine will cease to exist. The only way of winning is, well, winning this war. It is also very much a real war, with hundreds of thousands of deaths on both sides, a true massacre not seen in Europe since WW2. Trumps stupid war on Iran on the other hand is really just some air strikes, and Iran can win by just not losing, which is easy, because the US will not invade.

hackinthebochs 2mo ago
It's interesting how casually we replace concern for the population with concern for the political entity. No, the Ukrainian identity will not cease to exist with the replacement of the political entity.
- enopod_ 2mo ago
  Ask Ukrainians what they think about that. Putin made it more than clear that he wants to erase the Ukrainian identity. [1] In this case, the political entity of Ukraine represents the Ukrainian population, which wants to be free, democratic, Europe-oriented, and last but not least, never ever be under Russian dictatorship again. Russias attitude towards Ukraine has turned borderline genocidal since the start of this war. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Historical_Unity_of_Russians_and_Ukrainians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Historical_Unity_of_Rus...
- mewpmewp2 2mo ago
  What Russia has done in the past is take people who want to hold onto their old national identity and send them to labor camps far away where most will die, and migrate Russians to the areas so as generations go by Ukrainian identity would be fully gone.
- IAmBroom 2mo ago
  You are stunningly unaware or maliciously ignoring the cultural genocide that Russia is engaging in, inside taken territories. Children are routinely taken from parents and shipped off to Russia. Parents are encarcerated, conscripted, or slaughtered.
  - hackinthebochs 2mo ago
    Do you have a source for this? The closest thing I've heard of was vague reports of children being shipped to Russia. I'm not denying it has ever happened, but the question is what is the motivation, how systematic is it, etc.
    - enopod_ 2mo ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_abductions_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_abductions_in_the_Russo-...
      - hackinthebochs 2mo ago
        Thanks, seems comprehensive
- gus_massa 2mo ago
  They still remember https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

by enopod_ 2mo ago

hackinthebochs 2mo ago

It's interesting how casually we replace concern for the population with concern for the political entity. No, the Ukrainian identity will not cease to exist with the replacement of the political entity.

enopod_ 2mo ago
Ask Ukrainians what they think about that. Putin made it more than clear that he wants to erase the Ukrainian identity. [1] In this case, the political entity of Ukraine represents the Ukrainian population, which wants to be free, democratic, Europe-oriented, and last but not least, never ever be under Russian dictatorship again. Russias attitude towards Ukraine has turned borderline genocidal since the start of this war. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Historical_Unity_of_Russians_and_Ukrainians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Historical_Unity_of_Rus...
mewpmewp2 2mo ago
What Russia has done in the past is take people who want to hold onto their old national identity and send them to labor camps far away where most will die, and migrate Russians to the areas so as generations go by Ukrainian identity would be fully gone.
IAmBroom 2mo ago
You are stunningly unaware or maliciously ignoring the cultural genocide that Russia is engaging in, inside taken territories. Children are routinely taken from parents and shipped off to Russia. Parents are encarcerated, conscripted, or slaughtered.
- hackinthebochs 2mo ago
  Do you have a source for this? The closest thing I've heard of was vague reports of children being shipped to Russia. I'm not denying it has ever happened, but the question is what is the motivation, how systematic is it, etc.
  - enopod_ 2mo ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_abductions_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_abductions_in_the_Russo-...
    - hackinthebochs 2mo ago
      Thanks, seems comprehensive
gus_massa 2mo ago
They still remember https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor