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It's cheap but you also travel a lot in the US. Specially in the southern states because everything is so far. Anecdotal reference, my children's school is rou
by atif089 2mo ago
It's cheap but you also travel a lot in the US. Specially in the southern states because everything is so far.
Anecdotal reference, my children's school is roughly 3 miles, so I spend a gallon of gas every day with 2 round-trips.
That number was zero in Netherlands because all schools are either walkable or bike able.
Supermarkets and restaurants are 5 miles away easily.
Heck, my neighbor (door to door) is 0.4 miles.
- TxFkdZ 2mo ago[dead]
- dgellow 2mo agoFor context, the US is the top oil producer in the world. I also don’t know what you’re trying to say, none of the money you spend on gas goes to politicians
- tokai 2mo agoIts an international market, so that doesn't mean much. US producers can sell their product where they want. Its mainly taxes making it more expensive.
- TxFkdZ 2mo ago[dead]
- hilariously 2mo agoDepending on how much the oil lobby is donating these days that's not exactly true.
- xn7 2mo agoThe iPhone is priced exactly like that. And so are most consumer products. See Steam games, cars, Netflix, …
- TxFkdZ 2mo ago>The iPhone Apple asks the same amount of money afaik, the difference in EU is the tax, so...politicians.
- swiftcoder 2mo agoI suggest you not lookup the difference in price between an iPhone in the EU vs the US, then...
- TxFkdZ 2mo agoBut that's tax. Which makes my point. If we ever had (almost) free electricity breakthrough we'd still pay relatively the same for it. Energy is one of the most important aspects and they'll never just give it away for free, regardless of how much it costs them. Why would they? They know we need it and they know how much we're willing to pay for it.
- gib444 2mo ago> Anecdotal reference, my children's school is roughly 3 miles, so I spend a gallon of gas every day with 2 round-trips. 12mpg! What do you drive?
- atif089 2mo ago2019 CR-V I can squeeze up to 40mpg on interstate if I drive slow (under 65mph) and it's typically about 20-25mpg within the city but the ride for School specifically, I'm not sure what's going on there. Maybe its not truly 1 full gallon so not 12mpg but a little over that like ~18mpg.
- giacomoforte 2mo agoLots of EU people are now travelling longer distances due to housing prices and job relocations. My last commute in Germany was 1.5 hr one way and some of my colleagues had 2.5 hr commutes. Hybrid hours though.
- atif089 2mo agoYou're right. One of my friends in the Netherlands does has a 3 hour total commute over the day. It's insane.
- ryankrage77 2mo ago> roughly 3 miles, so I spend a gallon of gas every day with 2 round-trips You get 12mpg?
- tonyedgecombe 2mo agoTwo cold starts a day and a vehicle larger than a WW2 tank. Sounds believable.
- atif089 2mo agoHahahaha no, its a 2019 CR-V. I explained it in another comment. Maybe it has to do with that journey specifically?
- swiftcoder 2mo ago> You get 12mpg? It's the USA, so he's probably dropping the kids to school in a pickup truck...
- TOMDM 2mo ago12gpm
- nozzlegear 2mo agoEven big pickups get better mileage than 12mpg
- swiftcoder 2mo agoSome do, some don't. As a concrete example, the F150 [1] pretty reliably doesn't. Big SUVs like the Jeep Wrangler can be pretty far down there too. [1]: https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/50104.shtml https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/50104.shtml
- nozzlegear 2mo agoOh interesting, I had thought the F150 was one of the better ones but I obviously need to update my priors. Thanks for the link!
- solraph 2mo agoIn metric, 19.2km of driving burns 4.5 litres of petrol? Is that right? That seems absurdly high even for a large ute.
- samiv 2mo ago3 miles is less than 5km. Perfectly fine by bicycle. Oh wait.. I guess you have too much freedom and no infrastructure other than highways so you gotta drive and burn all the fuel, time and money.
- hbot_ 2mo agoI live in the EU: I pay at least half my income in taxes, have less freedom due to insane bureaucracy, and the infrastructure around me isn't great (highways or pedestrian/bicycle). On top of that, fuel is double what it is in the US. Whatever shortcomings there are in US society, it's not perfect in the EU either. That US freedom and infrastructure looks OK to me.
- TxFkdZ 2mo agoIf gas was free for EU, we'd still pay more than US for it, by the sheer amount of taxes. 25-30% of current price is gas cost itself, raw cost, the rest is taxes. So if EU somehow magically got the same amount of gas for 100% free, we'd at most pay some 25% less than we do now, and it would still be more expensive than US.
- LargoLasskhyfv 2mo agoOnly if you can afford it. And if you could, you could do that in Europe, too :-)
- nozzlegear 2mo agoI rode my bike to school as a kid in the US. Kids still ride their bikes to school and to the parks/pool, I see them riding by my house every day. This weird jingoism serves no one.
- atif089 2mo agoBrother, I live in Austin. It's 40C outside and my kids are very young. We do have bike paths over that routes but it's just not safe for my kids yet. The road they need to bike along allows up to 65mph. In the Netherlands I just had to cross a 30km/h road (down to 20km during school hours and pedestrians always get first preference) to drop them. Netherlands is just too satisfactorily safe ♥