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I would say the future is cloud gaming.

by rrgok 2mo ago

plopz 2mo ago
What is that, like stadia?
- vel0city 2mo ago
  Nvidia GeForce Now, Xbox Cloud Gaming, PlayStation Plus Premium, Boosteroid are modern options among others.
nazgulsenpai 2mo ago
Sadly, I agree with you. I don't like it, but it seems pretty clear.
trinsic2 2mo ago
The cloud gaming echo chamber has conveniently arrived to save the day by mimicking the solution to fix the problem the same industry created. Problem, Reaction, Solution.
criddell 2mo ago
Sadly, the future might be phone gaming. The mobile gaming market is as big as the console and PC markets combined.
- naravara 2mo ago
  These are basically different markets that only compete with each other because there are finite hours in the day to engage with media, not because they’re offering variations on the same thing. It’s similar to comparing Netflix to the Criterion Streaming platform. Technically you’re doing the same thing, sitting on the couch watching a big screen, but the experience being pitched is a totally different one and the target customer doesn’t really overlap.
  - ssl-3 2mo ago
    They compete for finite dollars, too. There was a time when regular families had desktop computers at home. The marketing was intense, the machines were expensive, and the sales numbers were real. The PC was the gateway to all of the spoils of the internet and things were booming. Now families tend to have a collection expensive personal pocket supercomputers, instead. It's hard to justify the cost of a properly-stodgy computer when everything is online and the machines that everyone already has in their pockets are Good Enough to get things done (including entertainment).
    - inigyou 2mo ago
      I suspect people who've gotten any depth into both desktop and mobile gaming don't think they're even remotely substitutes.
      - ssl-3 2mo ago
        Gaming on a phone is definitely not for me. I've been using PCs for several decades; it's possible that mobile gaming will never be my jam. But I can accept that I'm not everyone. I suspect that we'll have whole generations of people who manage to grow up and grow old and without ever having, or even seeking, the opportunity to spend quality time gaming on PCs. I think that's alright. Things are allowed to change.
        inigyou 2mo ago
        I'm pretty sure it's just exposure and time. Mobile is a great format for keeping yourself entertained on a subway. Desktop or console is a great format for actual games. People have more phones now because you need phones and you don't need desktops - that has nothing to do with the enjoyment you have gaming on each. You used to be able to dial TIM on a landline phone to check the time (for free?). Then you (if you were a computer nerd) checked it on your computer, then on your cellphone. Because that's what was available. There was no connection between knowing the time and landline phones - people just had landline phones so it was a convenient way to deliver the service. That's how it is with mobile games now. Remember Java and Flash applets? You could make anything you wanted as a native application, but RuneScape took off because you didn't have to install it.
- 8fingerlouie 2mo ago
  Phone gaming with a USC-C display or simply cast to the TV, and Bluetooth remotes. It might not be as bad as it sounds. My phone has 12GB RAM, 256GB NVME SSD, a decent GPU and a dedicated AI chipset as well. Sure, it won’t beat a tricked out gaming PC with some $4000 GPU in it, but it will probably be competitive with console gaming. Granted, the PS5 is 5-6 years old by now, but my phone has more power in every measure. My “dream” everyday device is still a phone that docks with a display, keyboard and mouse, and magically transforms into a desktop OS. On the to mobile apps would allow access to the same data, but touch optimized instead.
  - Junk_Collector 2mo ago
    That's a Nintendo Switch. The general purpose docking OS was what Win8 was supposed to be but it was flubbed horribly.
    - 8fingerlouie 2mo ago
      Yes, it’s a Nintendo switch, but it’s not a separate device, it’s a device I’m lugging around every day anyway.
  - ColdStream 2mo ago
    Things like the Ouya where they took common android hardware and software stack and put them on a TV cheaply was a great idea. They just executed it so poorly it was always going to die. A mostly open platform that had an online store, very cool. But it became flooded with crap from day one.
jayd16 2mo ago
Its ok for some thing but the lag is simply too much for popular genres of games.
- inigyou 2mo ago
  If cloud means AWS then probably, but I think the serious cloud gaming people are generally trying to get you connected by fiber to a data center in the same city.
  - ColdStream 2mo ago
    Even the best case scenarios are not great on latency. The whole display > input > transmit > render > encode > transmit > decode > display pipeline. There is the idea of predictive rendering but that would involve a lot more rendering power, bandwidth and a tight integration with the base engine.

I would say the future is cloud gaming.

by rrgok 2mo ago

I would say the future is cloud gaming.

plopz 2mo ago

What is that, like stadia?

vel0city 2mo ago
Nvidia GeForce Now, Xbox Cloud Gaming, PlayStation Plus Premium, Boosteroid are modern options among others.

nazgulsenpai 2mo ago

Sadly, I agree with you. I don't like it, but it seems pretty clear.

trinsic2 2mo ago

The cloud gaming echo chamber has conveniently arrived to save the day by mimicking the solution to fix the problem the same industry created. Problem, Reaction, Solution.

criddell 2mo ago

Sadly, the future might be phone gaming. The mobile gaming market is as big as the console and PC markets combined.

naravara 2mo ago
These are basically different markets that only compete with each other because there are finite hours in the day to engage with media, not because they’re offering variations on the same thing. It’s similar to comparing Netflix to the Criterion Streaming platform. Technically you’re doing the same thing, sitting on the couch watching a big screen, but the experience being pitched is a totally different one and the target customer doesn’t really overlap.
- ssl-3 2mo ago
  They compete for finite dollars, too. There was a time when regular families had desktop computers at home. The marketing was intense, the machines were expensive, and the sales numbers were real. The PC was the gateway to all of the spoils of the internet and things were booming. Now families tend to have a collection expensive personal pocket supercomputers, instead. It's hard to justify the cost of a properly-stodgy computer when everything is online and the machines that everyone already has in their pockets are Good Enough to get things done (including entertainment).
  - inigyou 2mo ago
    I suspect people who've gotten any depth into both desktop and mobile gaming don't think they're even remotely substitutes.
    - ssl-3 2mo ago
      Gaming on a phone is definitely not for me. I've been using PCs for several decades; it's possible that mobile gaming will never be my jam. But I can accept that I'm not everyone. I suspect that we'll have whole generations of people who manage to grow up and grow old and without ever having, or even seeking, the opportunity to spend quality time gaming on PCs. I think that's alright. Things are allowed to change.
      - inigyou 2mo ago
        I'm pretty sure it's just exposure and time. Mobile is a great format for keeping yourself entertained on a subway. Desktop or console is a great format for actual games. People have more phones now because you need phones and you don't need desktops - that has nothing to do with the enjoyment you have gaming on each. You used to be able to dial TIM on a landline phone to check the time (for free?). Then you (if you were a computer nerd) checked it on your computer, then on your cellphone. Because that's what was available. There was no connection between knowing the time and landline phones - people just had landline phones so it was a convenient way to deliver the service. That's how it is with mobile games now. Remember Java and Flash applets? You could make anything you wanted as a native application, but RuneScape took off because you didn't have to install it.
8fingerlouie 2mo ago
Phone gaming with a USC-C display or simply cast to the TV, and Bluetooth remotes. It might not be as bad as it sounds. My phone has 12GB RAM, 256GB NVME SSD, a decent GPU and a dedicated AI chipset as well. Sure, it won’t beat a tricked out gaming PC with some $4000 GPU in it, but it will probably be competitive with console gaming. Granted, the PS5 is 5-6 years old by now, but my phone has more power in every measure. My “dream” everyday device is still a phone that docks with a display, keyboard and mouse, and magically transforms into a desktop OS. On the to mobile apps would allow access to the same data, but touch optimized instead.
- Junk_Collector 2mo ago
  That's a Nintendo Switch. The general purpose docking OS was what Win8 was supposed to be but it was flubbed horribly.
  - 8fingerlouie 2mo ago
    Yes, it’s a Nintendo switch, but it’s not a separate device, it’s a device I’m lugging around every day anyway.
- ColdStream 2mo ago
  Things like the Ouya where they took common android hardware and software stack and put them on a TV cheaply was a great idea. They just executed it so poorly it was always going to die. A mostly open platform that had an online store, very cool. But it became flooded with crap from day one.

jayd16 2mo ago

Its ok for some thing but the lag is simply too much for popular genres of games.

inigyou 2mo ago
If cloud means AWS then probably, but I think the serious cloud gaming people are generally trying to get you connected by fiber to a data center in the same city.
- ColdStream 2mo ago
  Even the best case scenarios are not great on latency. The whole display > input > transmit > render > encode > transmit > decode > display pipeline. There is the idea of predictive rendering but that would involve a lot more rendering power, bandwidth and a tight integration with the base engine.