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Musk itself doesn't make things. He only puts the money, and other people build the things. How many times, they need to work around him or fix his crazy ideas

Musk itself doesn't make things. He only puts the money, and other people build the things. How many times, they need to work around him or fix his crazy ideas ? People must stop trying to compare it to Tesla or Tony Stark. He is more like the bad guy of Jurassic Park 2.

MagicMoonlight 2mo ago
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aikinai 2mo ago
Weird how other people can put up more money and not be able to make the same things as Musk’s companies.
- hello4263 2mo ago
  The people with that level of money are very few.
  - aikinai 2mo ago
    Companies aren't funded by one person, even his. After their current round, Blue Origin will have raised more than three times as much capital as SpaceX, and SpaceX is obviously far more advanced and has already gone public. Rivian used ten times more capital to reach their first delivery and twenty times more before their IPO as compared to Tesla. It looks like it's not Musk's money making his companies successful.
    - antonvs 2mo ago
      He's good at exploiting naive people's dreams.
  - Gareth321 2mo ago
    Musk had around $180M when he founded SpaceX in 2002, and purchased Tesla in 2004. ChatGPT tells me that more than 55,000 people in the world have more wealth than this. So either people who have money choose not to make such risky investments, or they're incapable of it. Probably both. We're very lucky that someone who is both capable of building companies like this and is willing to go bankrupt doing it exists.
    - antonvs 2mo ago
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      - aikinai 2mo ago
        Without a shift to electric cars and the emergence of reusable, affordable space travel?
        antonvs 2mo ago
        Why are those important? Now if he had revolutionized public transport, we might have something to discuss. But instead, he actively worked against that, and was a major force in getting Trump reelected. Then, after executing a pitch-perfect Hitler salute on a major public stage, he took a chainsaw to US soft power, dooming millions of children around the world to die of starvation and other preventable conditions - including Ebola! - thus getting closer to his idol’s body count. And that’s just one among many other things he did that were almost as bad, including a completely non-transparent rifling through American citizens’ personal data. No, there is nothing Musk has done that balances the equation. We’d all be better off if he had never existed.
    - lookdangerous 2mo ago
      Profound. 1/55k regarding wealth really diminishes the role wealth plays.
- exadeci 2mo ago
  Easy he constantly forces them to cut corners and take risks put their lives in danger "Tesla Has Highest Fatal Accident Rate of All Auto Brands", "Reuters documented at least 600 previously unreported workplace injuries at Musk’s rocket company: crushed limbs, amputations, electrocutions, head and eye wounds and one death. "
  - aikinai 2mo ago
    That's a somewhat valid point about the "move fast and break things" culture at SpaceX. I'm sure there's some correlation between the pioneering, hyper-productive culture at Elon's companies and safety violations, but there's no way you could claim that lax safety standards account for the massive gap between SpaceX and the rest of the entire industry. It's not like they're just pumping widgets out of a factory faster and cheaper. They've revolutionized the cutting edge across all aspects, including design, software, etc. If the best companies could be explained by cutting safety corners, then China would be leading America in everything. And that was the first I'd heard about high fatality rates for Tesla, so I looked it up. The cars themselves are always rated as very safe, and it seems the reason for high fatalities is just who buys them. Apparently, it's young, affluent, more risk-tolerant people who frequently drive fast on highways.
  - bell-cot 2mo ago
    I'm no ER physician, nor OSHA expert - but if 600 accidents with the sorts of heavy equipment and rocketry that SpaceX does every day included only one death, then my conclusion would be that the vast majority of that 600 were pretty minor stuff. You'd have a lot more bodies otherwise. Also, Musk is nothing special this way. Honest comparisons would be to cell phone tower workers, steel mills, hazardous chemicals handlers, farmers, and such. Vs. most people's mental comparison is to working in a comfy office.
- bell-cot 2mo ago
  Musk seems obsessed with making socially valuable physical things which are extremely difficult to make. And (overall) he's darned good at it. Back when America's star was rising, that was far more common.

MagicMoonlight 2mo ago

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aikinai 2mo ago

Weird how other people can put up more money and not be able to make the same things as Musk’s companies.

hello4263 2mo ago
The people with that level of money are very few.
- aikinai 2mo ago
  Companies aren't funded by one person, even his. After their current round, Blue Origin will have raised more than three times as much capital as SpaceX, and SpaceX is obviously far more advanced and has already gone public. Rivian used ten times more capital to reach their first delivery and twenty times more before their IPO as compared to Tesla. It looks like it's not Musk's money making his companies successful.
  - antonvs 2mo ago
    He's good at exploiting naive people's dreams.
- Gareth321 2mo ago
  Musk had around $180M when he founded SpaceX in 2002, and purchased Tesla in 2004. ChatGPT tells me that more than 55,000 people in the world have more wealth than this. So either people who have money choose not to make such risky investments, or they're incapable of it. Probably both. We're very lucky that someone who is both capable of building companies like this and is willing to go bankrupt doing it exists.
  - antonvs 2mo ago
    [flagged]
    - aikinai 2mo ago
      Without a shift to electric cars and the emergence of reusable, affordable space travel?
      - antonvs 2mo ago
        Why are those important? Now if he had revolutionized public transport, we might have something to discuss. But instead, he actively worked against that, and was a major force in getting Trump reelected. Then, after executing a pitch-perfect Hitler salute on a major public stage, he took a chainsaw to US soft power, dooming millions of children around the world to die of starvation and other preventable conditions - including Ebola! - thus getting closer to his idol’s body count. And that’s just one among many other things he did that were almost as bad, including a completely non-transparent rifling through American citizens’ personal data. No, there is nothing Musk has done that balances the equation. We’d all be better off if he had never existed.
  - lookdangerous 2mo ago
    Profound. 1/55k regarding wealth really diminishes the role wealth plays.
exadeci 2mo ago
Easy he constantly forces them to cut corners and take risks put their lives in danger "Tesla Has Highest Fatal Accident Rate of All Auto Brands", "Reuters documented at least 600 previously unreported workplace injuries at Musk’s rocket company: crushed limbs, amputations, electrocutions, head and eye wounds and one death. "
- aikinai 2mo ago
  That's a somewhat valid point about the "move fast and break things" culture at SpaceX. I'm sure there's some correlation between the pioneering, hyper-productive culture at Elon's companies and safety violations, but there's no way you could claim that lax safety standards account for the massive gap between SpaceX and the rest of the entire industry. It's not like they're just pumping widgets out of a factory faster and cheaper. They've revolutionized the cutting edge across all aspects, including design, software, etc. If the best companies could be explained by cutting safety corners, then China would be leading America in everything. And that was the first I'd heard about high fatality rates for Tesla, so I looked it up. The cars themselves are always rated as very safe, and it seems the reason for high fatalities is just who buys them. Apparently, it's young, affluent, more risk-tolerant people who frequently drive fast on highways.
- bell-cot 2mo ago
  I'm no ER physician, nor OSHA expert - but if 600 accidents with the sorts of heavy equipment and rocketry that SpaceX does every day included only one death, then my conclusion would be that the vast majority of that 600 were pretty minor stuff. You'd have a lot more bodies otherwise. Also, Musk is nothing special this way. Honest comparisons would be to cell phone tower workers, steel mills, hazardous chemicals handlers, farmers, and such. Vs. most people's mental comparison is to working in a comfy office.
bell-cot 2mo ago
Musk seems obsessed with making socially valuable physical things which are extremely difficult to make. And (overall) he's darned good at it. Back when America's star was rising, that was far more common.