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> Your product's brand name is mud. It is?

by dimgl 2mo ago

Gigachad 2mo ago
Yes, to the average person grok is known for generating csam, mechahitler, and undressing people for sexual harassment. And to tech people it’s now known for stealing your files.
- brightball 2mo ago
  Reddit is not “the average person”
  - Gigachad 2mo ago
    The AI undressing scandal was on mainstream news and being discussed publicly by politicians. It's not some underground drama. The real life people I know still remember he called the cave diver a pedo after a disagreement. There's very few people left in the world not soured on Elon.
    - Culonavirus 2mo ago
      No, there's very few >left wing< people left in the world not soured on Elon. What mainstream news and which politicians? Cnn, Msn, Bbc? Which "scandal"? You mean that Grok Imagine had some security holes that let you "put XYZ into bikini" which were promptly patched but not before the far left and professional complainers activated their "mainstream news" co-conspirators and blown this out of proportion like they do with everything Elon related (or Trump related... well at least Trump deserves it)? Elon calls people all kinds of things almost every day. He's on the spectrum, we all know this, what's the big deal? Yea it's not his big mouth, nobody actually cares about that, the real reason why the left hates him is Twitter, or to be more specific that one fateful day when he decided to buy Twitter, throwing out the iron grip (that still continues to fester on Reddit and Wikipedia by the way) of the left on political discourse out of the (Overton) window. An isult to injury was Elon firing 80% of Twitter and nothing bad happening (except "safety" hall monitors and other do-nothings having to find jobs elsewhere). Then Elon financially supported Trump's campaign and that was the last nail in the coffin. Forever enemy. The fact that you present this as "very few people left in the world" is peak western progressive brain rot, but I get it, it's what your people do. Covid rules and Trump election were probably the main driving factor of speeding up the opening of platform s rules on speech, but Twitter purchase made it possible, it opened up the floodgates and many followed. (To the point that today , I would argue, Instagram is way more casually racist than X. Youtube is pretty open too compared to 5 years ago.) Btw since leftists often play dumb and ask silly questions: if you think there are more than two genders or that the "white man" has some form of original sin that needs to be punished or that immigration enforcement is evil or you support Hamas - you are the "leftist" I'm talking about here. You are not the "normal ones", you never were, you just stole the discourse and made everyone fear stepping out and now you're mad when someone in power does that back to you. That's the truth.
      - urbsgpw 2mo ago
        This. When I was less into tech (2010-2015), I hated how everyone fawned about Elon (remember Hollywood casting him in iron man?). As I started to transition into tech I remember being impressed by the design principles of his companies (simplify, remove complexity). But I am absolutely baffled how his detractors don't see that exactly what you mentioned, that they are part of subset of society, with very strong opinions (think race, economics, religion) and can't fathom somebody having a different opinion without that person being immoral. And the worst part is what you mention at the very end: the mental policing of this group in the past 10-15 years. I liken it to a religious sect (ironically, even though they hate Christianity, probably closest to a new age christian sect). I've had this discussion up here last week pointing out the vitriol Elon gets is, to my mind, for the wrong reasons (and the reasons are exactly what you mention).
        Lomlioto 2mo ago
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      - jorisw 2mo ago
        > since leftists often play dumb And there goes the merit of your rant
        Culonavirus 2mo ago
        No i mean it genuinely. Right wingers are often racist and xenophobic (some have lived experience basis fot these, some not) and lately (along with leftists) quite antisemitic, lets not mince words, we know this, but leftists use deception in argumentation much more often. There's a popular hundred+ million view, often reposted and requoted, tweet about this: "It's amazing how much leftist discourse is just them pretending not to understand things, thus making discourse impossible."
    - exodust 2mo ago
      > "mainstream news...cave diver...the world soured on Elon" Must be stressful maintaining the low quality rhetoric and negativity? Straight from reddit I presume, to regurgitate tales about cave divers. This is the diver who bizarrely and publicly attacked Musk for trying to help rescue kids from a cave. "Shove his submarine up his rear end" or something. Musk fired back his own stupid words. The court awarded the diver zero dollars. Diver wanted $190 million! Pay day denied! Justice served. > The real life people I know... Any real life person who keeps it real, knows the diver was an absolute tool. Attempting to twist history for some kind anti-Musk ammo is a fool's game.
      - Lomlioto 2mo ago
        The CSAM stuff went through german and EU news. BBC, SZ, FAZ, Tagesschau etc. There was real impact on Tesla sales too.
      - dzhiurgis 2mo ago
        The silly part of this story is people calling that diver a hero. There were 100 divers involved with total of 10,000 people, 100 agency reps, 900 police officers and 2000 soldiers. There was no single hero in that story.
      - ligne 2mo ago
        All it really shows is that the British court system will sell you all the justice that money can buy.
  - HDBaseT 2mo ago
    In fact, most people try and distance themselves from Reddit as much as possible. Most people I spoke to don't even know what Grok is, or that Twitter had (or needed) an AI.
    - ligne 2mo ago
      Well quite. But that means that to the extent that most people know anything about grok, it's as "that twitter AI that called itself Hitler and made naked pictures of children".
  - reverius42 2mo ago
    Right, to the actual average person, they have never heard of Grok. The average person who has heard of Grok is already on Reddit.
    - jorisw 2mo ago
      Grok is right there in the app stores alongside ChatGPT and Claude...
      - reverius42 2mo ago
        I don't think the average person has heard of Claude either. I explained to someone who hadn't heard of it what Claude was, and they asked, "so it's another kind of ChatGPT?"
- dzhiurgis 2mo ago
  Ever wondered why mass media didn't amplify the same news about chatgpt which did exactly the same?
  - Gigachad 2mo ago
    Because ChatGPT wasn’t integrated in to a social media platform to post this stuff inline. And because it was significantly stricter.

> Your product's brand name is mud. It is?

by dimgl 2mo ago

> Your product's brand name is mud. It is?

Yes, to the average person grok is known for generating csam, mechahitler, and undressing people for sexual harassment. And to tech people it’s now known for stealing your files.

brightball 2mo ago
Reddit is not “the average person”
- Gigachad 2mo ago
  The AI undressing scandal was on mainstream news and being discussed publicly by politicians. It's not some underground drama. The real life people I know still remember he called the cave diver a pedo after a disagreement. There's very few people left in the world not soured on Elon.
  - Culonavirus 2mo ago
    No, there's very few >left wing< people left in the world not soured on Elon. What mainstream news and which politicians? Cnn, Msn, Bbc? Which "scandal"? You mean that Grok Imagine had some security holes that let you "put XYZ into bikini" which were promptly patched but not before the far left and professional complainers activated their "mainstream news" co-conspirators and blown this out of proportion like they do with everything Elon related (or Trump related... well at least Trump deserves it)? Elon calls people all kinds of things almost every day. He's on the spectrum, we all know this, what's the big deal? Yea it's not his big mouth, nobody actually cares about that, the real reason why the left hates him is Twitter, or to be more specific that one fateful day when he decided to buy Twitter, throwing out the iron grip (that still continues to fester on Reddit and Wikipedia by the way) of the left on political discourse out of the (Overton) window. An isult to injury was Elon firing 80% of Twitter and nothing bad happening (except "safety" hall monitors and other do-nothings having to find jobs elsewhere). Then Elon financially supported Trump's campaign and that was the last nail in the coffin. Forever enemy. The fact that you present this as "very few people left in the world" is peak western progressive brain rot, but I get it, it's what your people do. Covid rules and Trump election were probably the main driving factor of speeding up the opening of platform s rules on speech, but Twitter purchase made it possible, it opened up the floodgates and many followed. (To the point that today , I would argue, Instagram is way more casually racist than X. Youtube is pretty open too compared to 5 years ago.) Btw since leftists often play dumb and ask silly questions: if you think there are more than two genders or that the "white man" has some form of original sin that needs to be punished or that immigration enforcement is evil or you support Hamas - you are the "leftist" I'm talking about here. You are not the "normal ones", you never were, you just stole the discourse and made everyone fear stepping out and now you're mad when someone in power does that back to you. That's the truth.
    - urbsgpw 2mo ago
      This. When I was less into tech (2010-2015), I hated how everyone fawned about Elon (remember Hollywood casting him in iron man?). As I started to transition into tech I remember being impressed by the design principles of his companies (simplify, remove complexity). But I am absolutely baffled how his detractors don't see that exactly what you mentioned, that they are part of subset of society, with very strong opinions (think race, economics, religion) and can't fathom somebody having a different opinion without that person being immoral. And the worst part is what you mention at the very end: the mental policing of this group in the past 10-15 years. I liken it to a religious sect (ironically, even though they hate Christianity, probably closest to a new age christian sect). I've had this discussion up here last week pointing out the vitriol Elon gets is, to my mind, for the wrong reasons (and the reasons are exactly what you mention).
      - Lomlioto 2mo ago
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        budsniffer952 2mo ago
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        Lomlioto 2mo ago
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    - jorisw 2mo ago
      > since leftists often play dumb And there goes the merit of your rant
      - Culonavirus 2mo ago
        No i mean it genuinely. Right wingers are often racist and xenophobic (some have lived experience basis fot these, some not) and lately (along with leftists) quite antisemitic, lets not mince words, we know this, but leftists use deception in argumentation much more often. There's a popular hundred+ million view, often reposted and requoted, tweet about this: "It's amazing how much leftist discourse is just them pretending not to understand things, thus making discourse impossible."
  - exodust 2mo ago
    > "mainstream news...cave diver...the world soured on Elon" Must be stressful maintaining the low quality rhetoric and negativity? Straight from reddit I presume, to regurgitate tales about cave divers. This is the diver who bizarrely and publicly attacked Musk for trying to help rescue kids from a cave. "Shove his submarine up his rear end" or something. Musk fired back his own stupid words. The court awarded the diver zero dollars. Diver wanted $190 million! Pay day denied! Justice served. > The real life people I know... Any real life person who keeps it real, knows the diver was an absolute tool. Attempting to twist history for some kind anti-Musk ammo is a fool's game.
    - Lomlioto 2mo ago
      The CSAM stuff went through german and EU news. BBC, SZ, FAZ, Tagesschau etc. There was real impact on Tesla sales too.
    - dzhiurgis 2mo ago
      The silly part of this story is people calling that diver a hero. There were 100 divers involved with total of 10,000 people, 100 agency reps, 900 police officers and 2000 soldiers. There was no single hero in that story.
    - ligne 2mo ago
      All it really shows is that the British court system will sell you all the justice that money can buy.
- HDBaseT 2mo ago
  In fact, most people try and distance themselves from Reddit as much as possible. Most people I spoke to don't even know what Grok is, or that Twitter had (or needed) an AI.
  - ligne 2mo ago
    Well quite. But that means that to the extent that most people know anything about grok, it's as "that twitter AI that called itself Hitler and made naked pictures of children".
- reverius42 2mo ago
  Right, to the actual average person, they have never heard of Grok. The average person who has heard of Grok is already on Reddit.
  - jorisw 2mo ago
    Grok is right there in the app stores alongside ChatGPT and Claude...
    - reverius42 2mo ago
      I don't think the average person has heard of Claude either. I explained to someone who hadn't heard of it what Claude was, and they asked, "so it's another kind of ChatGPT?"
dzhiurgis 2mo ago
Ever wondered why mass media didn't amplify the same news about chatgpt which did exactly the same?
- Gigachad 2mo ago
  Because ChatGPT wasn’t integrated in to a social media platform to post this stuff inline. And because it was significantly stricter.