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Yes, but the primary reason for Starlink is for areas with poor traditional ISPs. If you had a choice between Fiber or Starlink, you’d choose Fiber. So as tra

Yes, but the primary reason for Starlink is for areas with poor traditional ISPs. If you had a choice between Fiber or Starlink, you’d choose Fiber. So as traditional ISPs improve service and coverage, Starlink becomes less in demand.

grim_io 2mo ago
Sounds like a great long-term investment. Starlink would only make sense if the world was not getting more and more concentrated around densely populated areas.
- scottyah 2mo ago
  I think it'd be easier for Starlink to start building and deploying wide area ground stations (like 5g towers or something) to serve urban areas than it would take all the other telcos to deploy satellites.
  - Alpha3031 2mo ago
    Why in the world would any MNO or WISP choose satellite backhaul for urban areas when their next tower is presumably only a few kilometres over (as opposed to tens of kilometres in more regional areas)?
    - scottyah 2mo ago
      I don't know, that's an interesting, albeit unrelated question. Do you have an answer?
      - Alpha3031 2mo ago
        How is the question of "how satellite backhaul is useful in urban areas" unrelated to your implicit thesis that satellite backhaul is useful in urban areas?
  - grim_io 2mo ago
    Why are the satellites required at all? Telcos manage many multiples of Starlink's traffic just fine over terrestrial high-bandwidth optic fiber.
    - scottyah 2mo ago
      They really don't manage the traffic well over terrestrial lines for the globe, that's why starlink, iridium, viasat, even directv have all used satellites. Billions of taxpayer money and even more private funding have been devoted to bringing lines to rural areas and the area covered is still so small.
      - grim_io 2mo ago
        Areas where Starlink makes sense are usually the same areas where people experience economic troubles: rural areas. Starlink has excellent military applications. The consumer business is a dishonest joke to fool investors.
StephenMelon 2mo ago
The killer app is military usage, so they just need enough consumer and b2b demand to keep what they charge governments within what they can justify to taxpayers
- Alpha3031 2mo ago
  Which militaries are you thinking and how much do you anticipate them spending and/or being willing to try and justify?

grim_io 2mo ago

Sounds like a great long-term investment. Starlink would only make sense if the world was not getting more and more concentrated around densely populated areas.

scottyah 2mo ago
I think it'd be easier for Starlink to start building and deploying wide area ground stations (like 5g towers or something) to serve urban areas than it would take all the other telcos to deploy satellites.
- Alpha3031 2mo ago
  Why in the world would any MNO or WISP choose satellite backhaul for urban areas when their next tower is presumably only a few kilometres over (as opposed to tens of kilometres in more regional areas)?
  - scottyah 2mo ago
    I don't know, that's an interesting, albeit unrelated question. Do you have an answer?
    - Alpha3031 2mo ago
      How is the question of "how satellite backhaul is useful in urban areas" unrelated to your implicit thesis that satellite backhaul is useful in urban areas?
- grim_io 2mo ago
  Why are the satellites required at all? Telcos manage many multiples of Starlink's traffic just fine over terrestrial high-bandwidth optic fiber.
  - scottyah 2mo ago
    They really don't manage the traffic well over terrestrial lines for the globe, that's why starlink, iridium, viasat, even directv have all used satellites. Billions of taxpayer money and even more private funding have been devoted to bringing lines to rural areas and the area covered is still so small.
    - grim_io 2mo ago
      Areas where Starlink makes sense are usually the same areas where people experience economic troubles: rural areas. Starlink has excellent military applications. The consumer business is a dishonest joke to fool investors.

StephenMelon 2mo ago

The killer app is military usage, so they just need enough consumer and b2b demand to keep what they charge governments within what they can justify to taxpayers

Alpha3031 2mo ago
Which militaries are you thinking and how much do you anticipate them spending and/or being willing to try and justify?