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Good, Kratom (as sold in products like Feel Free) is fucking awful. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLObpcBR2yw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLObpcBR2yw

Forgeties79 2mo ago
It’s wild that this stuff has remained unregulated for so long. Usually that can be attributed to the demographics (perceived or real) of the users though.
phil21 2mo ago
Feel Free (and similar) extracts like this are especially onerous. It's no longer Kratom powder that takes a lot of effort to get into trouble with. These extracts are not very well studied, and may be stronger than many Schedule II opioids. Especially for certain brain chemistries. In no world should Feel Free execs not be in prison at this point. They know precisely what they are doing, and their marketing is especially nasty since they market it towards addicts as a safe alchohol alternative. Kratom powders of 15 years ago can be defended in many ways. These extracts have absolutely no leg to stand on. They are an end-around opioid scheduling.
- IAmGraydon 2mo ago
  Look again. Feel Free does not contain Kratom extracts. It contains leaf.
  - phil21 2mo ago
    I am quite familiar with it. It’s supposedly fermented leaf. Either way the impact is similar, and nothing like the natural leaf in effect or potency. Fermentation is its own form of chemical alteration. It’s certainly not ground up leaf put into a water bottle as implied.
    - IAmGraydon 2mo ago
      Most leaf you buy from leaf vendors is fermented to some degree in the country of origin. My point stands - Feel Free does not contain extracts. The difference you may notice is more likely from the addition of Kava root, which is a gabaergic.
IAmGraydon 2mo ago
This doesn't ban Feel Free and similar products because they don't contain 7-OH. They just contain powdered Kratom leaf.
varenc 2mo ago
Free Free is celebrating this DEA rule because they say they're exempt due to their use of natural kratom leaf, not synthetic: https://botanictonics.com/pages/consumer-education https://botanictonics.com/pages/consumer-education I am skeptical though since I presume their capsules are much stronger than natural kratom powder. The linked YouTube video seems to say that Feel Free intentionally includes higher concentrations of 7-OH. So a bit confused. I hope the Feel Free does experience the crack down. Seems like someone just needs to test the Feel Free product's 7-OH concentration level, and if it exceeds 0.05%, as it likely does, the ban will apply.

Forgeties79 2mo ago

It’s wild that this stuff has remained unregulated for so long. Usually that can be attributed to the demographics (perceived or real) of the users though.

phil21 2mo ago

Feel Free (and similar) extracts like this are especially onerous. It's no longer Kratom powder that takes a lot of effort to get into trouble with. These extracts are not very well studied, and may be stronger than many Schedule II opioids. Especially for certain brain chemistries. In no world should Feel Free execs not be in prison at this point. They know precisely what they are doing, and their marketing is especially nasty since they market it towards addicts as a safe alchohol alternative. Kratom powders of 15 years ago can be defended in many ways. These extracts have absolutely no leg to stand on. They are an end-around opioid scheduling.

IAmGraydon 2mo ago
Look again. Feel Free does not contain Kratom extracts. It contains leaf.
- phil21 2mo ago
  I am quite familiar with it. It’s supposedly fermented leaf. Either way the impact is similar, and nothing like the natural leaf in effect or potency. Fermentation is its own form of chemical alteration. It’s certainly not ground up leaf put into a water bottle as implied.
  - IAmGraydon 2mo ago
    Most leaf you buy from leaf vendors is fermented to some degree in the country of origin. My point stands - Feel Free does not contain extracts. The difference you may notice is more likely from the addition of Kava root, which is a gabaergic.

IAmGraydon 2mo ago

This doesn't ban Feel Free and similar products because they don't contain 7-OH. They just contain powdered Kratom leaf.

varenc 2mo ago

Free Free is celebrating this DEA rule because they say they're exempt due to their use of natural kratom leaf, not synthetic: https://botanictonics.com/pages/consumer-education https://botanictonics.com/pages/consumer-education I am skeptical though since I presume their capsules are much stronger than natural kratom powder. The linked YouTube video seems to say that Feel Free intentionally includes higher concentrations of 7-OH. So a bit confused. I hope the Feel Free does experience the crack down. Seems like someone just needs to test the Feel Free product's 7-OH concentration level, and if it exceeds 0.05%, as it likely does, the ban will apply.