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A GR Corolla goes 0-60 in 4.9 - 5.4sec. My unexotic stock electric does 0-60 in around 4.8sec, +/-. So the same performance that requires a stupid amount of w

A GR Corolla goes 0-60 in 4.9 - 5.4sec. My unexotic stock electric does 0-60 in around 4.8sec, +/-. So the same performance that requires a stupid amount of wasted energy as heat and noise can be had from stock electric, with a couple hundred ms leftover. Do you care about performance, or do you just want to just fart out a bunch of noise? I get traditional car culture, but electrics embody the "money talks, wealth whispers" truism.

tiew9Vii 2mo ago
Your unexotic stock electric car drives and feels like a white goods appliance though. Sure electric in raw numbers wins on top trumps. This is fine for a lot of people who want to go to A to B and car is just a tool to do that Cars like the GR Corolla are about the engaging driving experience, the road feel / handling, the gear shifts, usable power, not outright top speed. It's a machine and some people like mastering controlling the machine and that mastery makes them smile, some even find fun.
- voidUpdate 2mo ago
  What kind of white goods appliance? My washing machine is very different to my fridge, in basically every way, other than it being white goods
la_oveja 2mo ago
this car is about handling in the twisties, not on straigh line. if you care about performance, you should know that its not only momentary performance what matters, but sustaining it and on repeated occasions. this car is made to be driven hard in a circuit or mountain roads. a electric car overheats its battery and its brakes due to their weight. the thing most close to electric sport car must be the ionic 5n. the rest is just old people saying "hey look how fast i can launch this car on the highway" ps: most car people dont care about performance, but about the thrill and the emotion of driving
- ElectronCharge 2mo ago
  I've yet to have any issues with the battery overheating, and most if not all of the braking is regenerative (no brake pad wear).
  - Rumudiez 2mo ago
    the first time I drove a model 3 I felt like I couldn't stop. it's on par with my 80s van that has drum brakes on the rear. the brakes just aren't good enough for sport, the car weighs too much. if this is hard to understand, you're living in a different world from motorsports enthusiasts
    - frollogaston 2mo ago
      You don't need to drive race cars to understand that a Tesla Model 3 stops faster than an 80s van with drum brakes. Sure, probably not as good as a sports car.
      - Rumudiez 2mo ago
        The van weighs 1500lbs less and has discs up front. It’s seriously not that far off
- floatrock 2mo ago
  This guy's car may be designed to be driven hard in a circuit or mountain roads, but that ain't what this guy is doing: > Now when I hit a loopy freeway interchange at night and my GR Corolla carves through the turn, it’s 1996 and I’m cruising in my CRX, getting pho in San Gabriel or rushing to a flyer party at Naga in Long Beach. So doing the famous LA Stop-and-Go Freeway Circuit. > We published our own magazines, built our own businesses, and for good and bad, promoted our own outlaw street racer image and our own beauty standard. Or hitting the 4-way-intersection midnight drift curves. Lets be honest, most people who drive these kinds of cars drive as many circuits as the average F-150 owner drives on western canyon dirt tracks. Some do, sure, and if you do that, great, get the best tool for your job. But most people only daydream about these things and simply want the image as an escape from the existential meaningless of their suburban lives (is the op's "midlife crisis" title snark or an actual cry for meaning?) I'm not gonna prevent people from spending their money on their hobbies, do whatever floats your boat. But if your hobbies are really just reving a loud engine from one strip mall red light to the next red light 1/4 mile down the road, well, that's not the thrill and the emotion of driving, that's a desperate display of loneliness and disconnection.
caconym_ 2mo ago
Your "unexotic stock electric" is boring as shit to drive and corners like a boat. Stomping on the throttle and going very fast in a straight line is a big marketing point for modern EVs with an excess of power (and usually weight), but there's a reason the concept of a "driver's car" exists, and if you think it's just about making noise then you really, really, really don't understand why people buy them.
- voidUpdate 2mo ago
  I'd love to understand why people buy cars to make noise with them then. Because making a car sound broken seems to be the goal of a lot of "car people"
- ElectronCharge 2mo ago
  I also have an EV, probably the same one as the grandparent...a Tesla Model Y Dual Motor Long Range. It's rated at 0-60 in 4.8s. It also has good handling, with very little body lean through curves, and a lateral G force of around .85 G. If I switched to the same tires as the Performance version, that would increase to .95 G. That is better than many legacy sports cars. Those who love engine noise are the modern equivalent of those who, shortly after cars became mass-market, wanted them to include buggy whips. ;-)
  - caconym_ 2mo ago
    More spec sheet flexing, more assumptions that for owners of internal combustion sports cars it's all about the noise. More projection. Another person who just doesn't get it. I'm sorry to be harsh in this thread, but it's always odd to find these weird empathetic blind spots in people.
    - wredcoll 2mo ago
      The article literally brags about how loud the car is (and makes it sound likr it was modified to be louder?) so it seems like a reasonable point to take issue with. Fortunately or unfortunately, driving a car is a public activity and even as a hobby, other people are going to be exposed to it in a way that you just don't get from, say, building model boats out of toothpicks. I'm a big fan of people having hobbies and enjoying them, but we live in a dense and crowded world where stuff like a loud car can negatively affect literally hundreds of other people.
lelanthran 2mo ago
> Do you care about performance, or do you just want to just fart out a bunch of noise? WTF are you talking about? MREs will give you your daily nutrition, can be cheaper than actual meals, and definitely wins points against meals, but I don't see puritannical arguments about "Why do you need a real carrot anyway? Taste is overrated" everywhere. > I get traditional car culture, but electrics embody the "money talks, wealth whispers" truism. Sorry, wrong. It's basically lack of taste.
- mrguyorama 2mo ago
  You make this comment as if this exact argument didn't happen 6 times in the past decade when talking about Huel and Soylent
englishspot 2mo ago
it's not just about straight line performance. lots of subie fans won't trade their STI for the current gen WRX, even though the engine is way better, because the driving dynamics are just not as good. that said, it's possible to have a fun ICE car and not build it in a way that your neighbors will hate you.

tiew9Vii 2mo ago

Your unexotic stock electric car drives and feels like a white goods appliance though. Sure electric in raw numbers wins on top trumps. This is fine for a lot of people who want to go to A to B and car is just a tool to do that Cars like the GR Corolla are about the engaging driving experience, the road feel / handling, the gear shifts, usable power, not outright top speed. It's a machine and some people like mastering controlling the machine and that mastery makes them smile, some even find fun.

voidUpdate 2mo ago
What kind of white goods appliance? My washing machine is very different to my fridge, in basically every way, other than it being white goods

la_oveja 2mo ago

this car is about handling in the twisties, not on straigh line. if you care about performance, you should know that its not only momentary performance what matters, but sustaining it and on repeated occasions. this car is made to be driven hard in a circuit or mountain roads. a electric car overheats its battery and its brakes due to their weight. the thing most close to electric sport car must be the ionic 5n. the rest is just old people saying "hey look how fast i can launch this car on the highway" ps: most car people dont care about performance, but about the thrill and the emotion of driving

ElectronCharge 2mo ago
I've yet to have any issues with the battery overheating, and most if not all of the braking is regenerative (no brake pad wear).
- Rumudiez 2mo ago
  the first time I drove a model 3 I felt like I couldn't stop. it's on par with my 80s van that has drum brakes on the rear. the brakes just aren't good enough for sport, the car weighs too much. if this is hard to understand, you're living in a different world from motorsports enthusiasts
  - frollogaston 2mo ago
    You don't need to drive race cars to understand that a Tesla Model 3 stops faster than an 80s van with drum brakes. Sure, probably not as good as a sports car.
    - Rumudiez 2mo ago
      The van weighs 1500lbs less and has discs up front. It’s seriously not that far off
floatrock 2mo ago
This guy's car may be designed to be driven hard in a circuit or mountain roads, but that ain't what this guy is doing: > Now when I hit a loopy freeway interchange at night and my GR Corolla carves through the turn, it’s 1996 and I’m cruising in my CRX, getting pho in San Gabriel or rushing to a flyer party at Naga in Long Beach. So doing the famous LA Stop-and-Go Freeway Circuit. > We published our own magazines, built our own businesses, and for good and bad, promoted our own outlaw street racer image and our own beauty standard. Or hitting the 4-way-intersection midnight drift curves. Lets be honest, most people who drive these kinds of cars drive as many circuits as the average F-150 owner drives on western canyon dirt tracks. Some do, sure, and if you do that, great, get the best tool for your job. But most people only daydream about these things and simply want the image as an escape from the existential meaningless of their suburban lives (is the op's "midlife crisis" title snark or an actual cry for meaning?) I'm not gonna prevent people from spending their money on their hobbies, do whatever floats your boat. But if your hobbies are really just reving a loud engine from one strip mall red light to the next red light 1/4 mile down the road, well, that's not the thrill and the emotion of driving, that's a desperate display of loneliness and disconnection.

caconym_ 2mo ago

Your "unexotic stock electric" is boring as shit to drive and corners like a boat. Stomping on the throttle and going very fast in a straight line is a big marketing point for modern EVs with an excess of power (and usually weight), but there's a reason the concept of a "driver's car" exists, and if you think it's just about making noise then you really, really, really don't understand why people buy them.

voidUpdate 2mo ago
I'd love to understand why people buy cars to make noise with them then. Because making a car sound broken seems to be the goal of a lot of "car people"
ElectronCharge 2mo ago
I also have an EV, probably the same one as the grandparent...a Tesla Model Y Dual Motor Long Range. It's rated at 0-60 in 4.8s. It also has good handling, with very little body lean through curves, and a lateral G force of around .85 G. If I switched to the same tires as the Performance version, that would increase to .95 G. That is better than many legacy sports cars. Those who love engine noise are the modern equivalent of those who, shortly after cars became mass-market, wanted them to include buggy whips. ;-)
- caconym_ 2mo ago
  More spec sheet flexing, more assumptions that for owners of internal combustion sports cars it's all about the noise. More projection. Another person who just doesn't get it. I'm sorry to be harsh in this thread, but it's always odd to find these weird empathetic blind spots in people.
  - wredcoll 2mo ago
    The article literally brags about how loud the car is (and makes it sound likr it was modified to be louder?) so it seems like a reasonable point to take issue with. Fortunately or unfortunately, driving a car is a public activity and even as a hobby, other people are going to be exposed to it in a way that you just don't get from, say, building model boats out of toothpicks. I'm a big fan of people having hobbies and enjoying them, but we live in a dense and crowded world where stuff like a loud car can negatively affect literally hundreds of other people.

lelanthran 2mo ago

> Do you care about performance, or do you just want to just fart out a bunch of noise? WTF are you talking about? MREs will give you your daily nutrition, can be cheaper than actual meals, and definitely wins points against meals, but I don't see puritannical arguments about "Why do you need a real carrot anyway? Taste is overrated" everywhere. > I get traditional car culture, but electrics embody the "money talks, wealth whispers" truism. Sorry, wrong. It's basically lack of taste.

mrguyorama 2mo ago
You make this comment as if this exact argument didn't happen 6 times in the past decade when talking about Huel and Soylent

englishspot 2mo ago

it's not just about straight line performance. lots of subie fans won't trade their STI for the current gen WRX, even though the engine is way better, because the driving dynamics are just not as good. that said, it's possible to have a fun ICE car and not build it in a way that your neighbors will hate you.