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I also prefer Datastar but the new features coming in HTMX4 closes the gap more. Happy to see the ecosystem converging on good patterns.

nchmy 2mo ago
But the point is that Datastar only exists because htmx rejected all of those ideas. Now it's becoming a cheap, more complex, less powerful, heavier copy of Datastar. Just use the genuine article.
- yawaramin 2mo ago
  Last I checked Datastar doesn't support progressive enhancement. I like using <a href hx-boost=true> and <form method action hx-boost=true> so almost all my functionality works even without JavaScript. See https://dev.to/yawaramin/why-hx-boost-is-actually-the-most-important-feature-of-htmx-3nc0 https://dev.to/yawaramin/why-hx-boost-is-actually-the-most-i...
  - nchmy 2mo ago
    Its not evident to me that that is really a concern when datastar is so small, and most of the js is written inline. Moreover, htmx can only do a fraction of what datastar does - you'd need to add on something like alpinejs to be able to try to fill the gaps. Both combined are much larger than datastar, and not nearly as integrated.
    - yawaramin 2mo ago
      It’s a concern because I use htmx for loading and updating resources and I want those operations to work as well as possible even without JavaScript. I’ve never felt the need for Alpine.js, I have very little I need to do with custom JS, and it’s trivial to maintain that by hand.
- lenkite 2mo ago
  I would just go all the way to using https://unpoly.com/ https://unpoly.com/ if I wanted the full-bang whiz.
devnull3 2mo ago
Datastar has evolved into a suite of tools [1]. If anything the gap has widened. Off-course these additional tools are not free [2]. [1] Rocket for WebComponents, Stellar for CSS [2] Nothing wrong in charging but $349 is a tad too expensive for me. I will happily pay if it was in double digits.

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I also prefer Datastar but the new features coming in HTMX4 closes the gap more. Happy to see the ecosystem converging on good patterns.

by lazypenguin 2mo ago

nchmy 2mo ago
But the point is that Datastar only exists because htmx rejected all of those ideas. Now it's becoming a cheap, more complex, less powerful, heavier copy of Datastar. Just use the genuine article.
- yawaramin 2mo ago
  Last I checked Datastar doesn't support progressive enhancement. I like using <a href hx-boost=true> and <form method action hx-boost=true> so almost all my functionality works even without JavaScript. See https://dev.to/yawaramin/why-hx-boost-is-actually-the-most-important-feature-of-htmx-3nc0 https://dev.to/yawaramin/why-hx-boost-is-actually-the-most-i...
  - nchmy 2mo ago
    Its not evident to me that that is really a concern when datastar is so small, and most of the js is written inline. Moreover, htmx can only do a fraction of what datastar does - you'd need to add on something like alpinejs to be able to try to fill the gaps. Both combined are much larger than datastar, and not nearly as integrated.
    - yawaramin 2mo ago
      It’s a concern because I use htmx for loading and updating resources and I want those operations to work as well as possible even without JavaScript. I’ve never felt the need for Alpine.js, I have very little I need to do with custom JS, and it’s trivial to maintain that by hand.
- lenkite 2mo ago
  I would just go all the way to using https://unpoly.com/ https://unpoly.com/ if I wanted the full-bang whiz.
devnull3 2mo ago
Datastar has evolved into a suite of tools [1]. If anything the gap has widened. Off-course these additional tools are not free [2]. [1] Rocket for WebComponents, Stellar for CSS [2] Nothing wrong in charging but $349 is a tad too expensive for me. I will happily pay if it was in double digits.