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according to https://x.com/Mith_/status/2041911606213537971 https://x.com/Mith_/status/2041911606213537971 > The industry standard for the recovery of lithium

according to https://x.com/Mith_/status/2041911606213537971 https://x.com/Mith_/status/2041911606213537971 > The industry standard for the recovery of lithium (remember there is a difference between recovery and extraction) is 90%, with some platforms now achieving 95%+ like those that use carbonation.

toomuchtodo 2mo ago
Some battery recycling challenges are minimal volume at this point on the EV adoption curve, and LFP and sodium ion battery chemistries won’t be worth recycling for the materials alone (but still require recycling as ewaste). https://www.npr.org/2026/07/13/nx-s1-5847025/ev-battery-recycling-economics https://www.npr.org/2026/07/13/nx-s1-5847025/ev-battery-recy... https://www.npr.org/2026/03/02/nx-s1-5706658/electric-vehicle-battery-lifespan https://www.npr.org/2026/03/02/nx-s1-5706658/electric-vehicl... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48893945 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48893945 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48013768 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48013768
koolala 2mo ago
What is the standard non-renewable resource used for the recovery process? What materials are used up as catalysts to convert it back?
- nicman23 2mo ago
  more importantly what is the cost versus getting it the non recyclable way
  - koolala 2mo ago
    that way is 100% non-renewable, the important questions are the total long term costs
    - aaron695 2mo ago
      [dead]
- Sabinus 2mo ago
  Sulfuric acid, hydrogen peroxide, sodium carbonate. Not catalysts but reagents. Most currently come from fossil fuel feedstock but that isn't essential.
  - mattclarkdotnet 2mo ago
    Why would any of those compounds come from fossil fuels? Sulfur is mined, hydrogen peroxide is water with some oxygen taken off, and sodium carbonate is made from salt and limestone
    - Perz1val 2mo ago
      Because they can, because when refining petroleum products you get a lot of crap that's not carbohydrates
    - wombatpm 2mo ago
      Sulfur is produced when the H2S is removed from petroleum and natural gas. Elemental sulfur is burned to produce Sulfuric acid using the Contact Process.
    - Sohcahtoa82 2mo ago
      > hydrogen peroxide is water with some oxygen taken off Isn't it water with some oxygen added?
jorisw 2mo ago
https://xcancel.com/Mith_/status/2041911606213537971 https://xcancel.com/Mith_/status/2041911606213537971

toomuchtodo 2mo ago

Some battery recycling challenges are minimal volume at this point on the EV adoption curve, and LFP and sodium ion battery chemistries won’t be worth recycling for the materials alone (but still require recycling as ewaste). https://www.npr.org/2026/07/13/nx-s1-5847025/ev-battery-recycling-economics https://www.npr.org/2026/07/13/nx-s1-5847025/ev-battery-recy... https://www.npr.org/2026/03/02/nx-s1-5706658/electric-vehicle-battery-lifespan https://www.npr.org/2026/03/02/nx-s1-5706658/electric-vehicl... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48893945 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48893945 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48013768 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48013768

koolala 2mo ago

What is the standard non-renewable resource used for the recovery process? What materials are used up as catalysts to convert it back?

nicman23 2mo ago
more importantly what is the cost versus getting it the non recyclable way
- koolala 2mo ago
  that way is 100% non-renewable, the important questions are the total long term costs
  - aaron695 2mo ago
    [dead]
Sabinus 2mo ago
Sulfuric acid, hydrogen peroxide, sodium carbonate. Not catalysts but reagents. Most currently come from fossil fuel feedstock but that isn't essential.
- mattclarkdotnet 2mo ago
  Why would any of those compounds come from fossil fuels? Sulfur is mined, hydrogen peroxide is water with some oxygen taken off, and sodium carbonate is made from salt and limestone
  - Perz1val 2mo ago
    Because they can, because when refining petroleum products you get a lot of crap that's not carbohydrates
  - wombatpm 2mo ago
    Sulfur is produced when the H2S is removed from petroleum and natural gas. Elemental sulfur is burned to produce Sulfuric acid using the Contact Process.
  - Sohcahtoa82 2mo ago
    > hydrogen peroxide is water with some oxygen taken off Isn't it water with some oxygen added?

jorisw 2mo ago

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