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Please educate yourself more on this. Step out of your bubble. Christian nations have created the cultural and technical achievements over the last thousands o
by jsemrau 2mo ago
Please educate yourself more on this. Step out of your bubble.
Christian nations have created the cultural and technical achievements over the last thousands of years. There is nothing even remotely comparable.
- defrost 2mo agoThe subject wasn't the creation of technology, it was the propensity of theocracies to beat the native out of natives. eg: https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2021/sep/06/canada-residential-schools-indigenous-children-cultural-genocide-map https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2021/sep/06...
- Chu4eeno 2mo agoIsn't Canada a secular state? I think the grandparents point was to separate plain old xenophobia from religiously motivated erasure of culture.
- defrost 2mo agoThe Vatican is a theocratic state, Catholic churches, schools, etc are effective theocracies. There's a long list of questionable behaviour, eg. enslavement for Jesus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1838_Jesuit_slave_sale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1838_Jesuit_slave_sale
- jsemrau 2mo agoThere are more people enslaved now than at any point in time in history. Guess the countries.
- defrost 2mo agoThere are more people now than at any point in time in history. Meanwhile, in history, religions enslaved people. Returning to the point you keep dodging, that includes Christians.
- jsemrau 2mo agoI don't believe in the original sin of slavery in Western countries. Slavery has been existed for centuries before and, despite being abolished by Western countries (hint: there were several wars were people lost lives), still exists in China, India, Indonesia, and a large group of Arab countries.
- defrost 2mo ago> I don't believe in the original sin of slavery in Western countries. I have no idea what that sentence is specifically meant to mean, that aside, western countries have had actual slavery and effective slavery both in the past and the present. eg: Past & actual: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1838_Jesuit_slave_sale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1838_Jesuit_slave_sale 'Present' (Post WWII) & effective: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-27/child-abuse-royal-commission-perth/5413842 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-27/child-abuse-royal-com... I don't mean to exclusively beat on Christians or just Catholics here; but I do intend to counter your apparent narrative of good Christians and evil Muslims. Christians certainly diminished a lot of cultures, just as other religions also did - the initial point that started this above.
- MomsAVoxell 2mo agoSlavery has not been abolished in the West. It has just been put behind walls that the general public do not usually care to see.
- ghostDancer 2mo agoCapitalist countries all of them.
- MomsAVoxell 2mo agoThe USA has the world's greatest for-profit prison slave system in existence. There has never been as many slaves in humanity as there are in the US' prisons. What's that? Oh, they don't count because they're criminals?
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- defrost 2mo agoBe fair now, the Catholic Church hasn't always and consistently been a backward medieval deathcult - there have been periods of non Crusading, non Inquisition, not slaughtering Cathars, not trading in babies, etc.
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- defrost 2mo agoAgain, Christians have been just as appalling as any other religion. They've killed, enslaved, done their best to eliminate cultures, railed against miscegenation, etc. Not sure why you're working so hard to pretend o/wise.
- wqaatwt 2mo agoTo be fair in addition to the uncountable horrible things it did or took part in the Catholic church did build the foundations that allowed the concepts of modern scientific thought to develop. No other religion did that.
- ghostDancer 2mo agoAnd they burned quite people for defending the science that went against their beliefs. They only stopped when they thought it would be good for their economic profits. Exactly the same when they stopped protecting slavery, when they thought it would be good as they would get a lot of new followers and all the money and influence that would come with them.And all the fights that gave birth to the other Christian churches always for the same reasons power and money.
- conception 2mo agoThousands of years… christian nations… educate yourself… hmm
- disgruntledphd2 2mo agoAnd without the Muslims maintaining the Greek and Roman texts, that would've taken far longer. Even algebra and algorithm come from Muslim names.
- wqaatwt 2mo agoThe Roman/Byzantine empire was pretty much destroyed by Muslims, though. Its a but like thanking the Franks/Goths/etc. for preserving Roman cultural identity in Western Europe by preserving some of their texts..
- disgruntledphd2 2mo ago> The Roman/Byzantine empire was pretty much destroyed by Muslims, though This is hilariously untrue, if one is talking about the Western Roman empire. An islamic state did conquer Constantinople, which I presume is what you mean. The Roman empire (western) basically fell apart due to infighting more than anything else.
- warumdarum 2mo agoMostly enslaved yehudi and persian scholars..
- raffraffraff 2mo agoI love hearing the guys from The Rest Of History discuss this from their different perspectives!
- sdsdssweew213 2mo agoI wouldn't thank Christianity for the scientific advancements of the West, except maybe for protestant work ethic. Science only started to flourish when Catholic church started to lose power, and religion became a bit more separated from law and politics. Best religion for progress of humanity is the one that embraces work, tells people to treat each other fairly, and otherwise keeps its hands off from irrelevant details of people's lives - things like what consenting adults do in bed, what they eat or drink, what they can or can't say. Unfortunately Christians have been historically way too focused on the bad parts while ignoring the good parts, leading to madness like wars between Catholics and Protestants and discrimination of minorities. Think of the current conservative elite in America for example - it's hard to find people who are further away from teachings of Jesus Christ than those greedy, hateful idiots.
- throwaway30213 2mo agoMore like the last 500 years. Before that the cultural and scientific centers of the world were variously in muslim, hindu, chinese, roman and other civilizations.