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Christianity is no different.
by openuntil3am 2mo ago
Christianity is no different.
- jsemrau 2mo agoPlease educate yourself more on this. Step out of your bubble. Christian nations have created the cultural and technical achievements over the last thousands of years. There is nothing even remotely comparable.
- defrost 2mo agoThe subject wasn't the creation of technology, it was the propensity of theocracies to beat the native out of natives. eg: https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2021/sep/06/canada-residential-schools-indigenous-children-cultural-genocide-map https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2021/sep/06...
- Chu4eeno 2mo agoIsn't Canada a secular state? I think the grandparents point was to separate plain old xenophobia from religiously motivated erasure of culture.
- defrost 2mo agoThe Vatican is a theocratic state, Catholic churches, schools, etc are effective theocracies. There's a long list of questionable behaviour, eg. enslavement for Jesus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1838_Jesuit_slave_sale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1838_Jesuit_slave_sale
- jsemrau 2mo agoThere are more people enslaved now than at any point in time in history. Guess the countries.
- defrost 2mo agoThere are more people now than at any point in time in history. Meanwhile, in history, religions enslaved people. Returning to the point you keep dodging, that includes Christians.
- jsemrau 2mo agoI don't believe in the original sin of slavery in Western countries. Slavery has been existed for centuries before and, despite being abolished by Western countries (hint: there were several wars were people lost lives), still exists in China, India, Indonesia, and a large group of Arab countries.
- defrost 2mo ago> I don't believe in the original sin of slavery in Western countries. I have no idea what that sentence is specifically meant to mean, that aside, western countries have had actual slavery and effective slavery both in the past and the present. eg: Past & actual: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1838_Jesuit_slave_sale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1838_Jesuit_slave_sale 'Present' (Post WWII) & effective: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-27/child-abuse-royal-commission-perth/5413842 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-27/child-abuse-royal-com... I don't mean to exclusively beat on Christians or just Catholics here; but I do intend to counter your apparent narrative of good Christians and evil Muslims. Christians certainly diminished a lot of cultures, just as other religions also did - the initial point that started this above.
- MomsAVoxell 2mo agoSlavery has not been abolished in the West. It has just been put behind walls that the general public do not usually care to see.
- ghostDancer 2mo agoCapitalist countries all of them.
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- defrost 2mo agoBe fair now, the Catholic Church hasn't always and consistently been a backward medieval deathcult - there have been periods of non Crusading, non Inquisition, not slaughtering Cathars, not trading in babies, etc.
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- defrost 2mo agoAgain, Christians have been just as appalling as any other religion. They've killed, enslaved, done their best to eliminate cultures, railed against miscegenation, etc. Not sure why you're working so hard to pretend o/wise.
- wqaatwt 2mo agoTo be fair in addition to the uncountable horrible things it did or took part in the Catholic church did build the foundations that allowed the concepts of modern scientific thought to develop. No other religion did that.
- ghostDancer 2mo agoAnd they burned quite people for defending the science that went against their beliefs. They only stopped when they thought it would be good for their economic profits. Exactly the same when they stopped protecting slavery, when they thought it would be good as they would get a lot of new followers and all the money and influence that would come with them.And all the fights that gave birth to the other Christian churches always for the same reasons power and money.
- conception 2mo agoThousands of years… christian nations… educate yourself… hmm
- disgruntledphd2 2mo agoAnd without the Muslims maintaining the Greek and Roman texts, that would've taken far longer. Even algebra and algorithm come from Muslim names.
- wqaatwt 2mo agoThe Roman/Byzantine empire was pretty much destroyed by Muslims, though. Its a but like thanking the Franks/Goths/etc. for preserving Roman cultural identity in Western Europe by preserving some of their texts..
- disgruntledphd2 2mo ago> The Roman/Byzantine empire was pretty much destroyed by Muslims, though This is hilariously untrue, if one is talking about the Western Roman empire. An islamic state did conquer Constantinople, which I presume is what you mean. The Roman empire (western) basically fell apart due to infighting more than anything else.
- warumdarum 2mo agoMostly enslaved yehudi and persian scholars..
- raffraffraff 2mo agoI love hearing the guys from The Rest Of History discuss this from their different perspectives!
- sdsdssweew213 2mo agoI wouldn't thank Christianity for the scientific advancements of the West, except maybe for protestant work ethic. Science only started to flourish when Catholic church started to lose power, and religion became a bit more separated from law and politics. Best religion for progress of humanity is the one that embraces work, tells people to treat each other fairly, and otherwise keeps its hands off from irrelevant details of people's lives - things like what consenting adults do in bed, what they eat or drink, what they can or can't say. Unfortunately Christians have been historically way too focused on the bad parts while ignoring the good parts, leading to madness like wars between Catholics and Protestants and discrimination of minorities. Think of the current conservative elite in America for example - it's hard to find people who are further away from teachings of Jesus Christ than those greedy, hateful idiots.
- throwaway30213 2mo agoMore like the last 500 years. Before that the cultural and scientific centers of the world were variously in muslim, hindu, chinese, roman and other civilizations.
- gaiagraphia 2mo agoI didn't claim otherwise. Thankfully Enlightenment values cleaned things up a little. In the current day, I just find it very worrying when you line up a map of global conflicts and where Islam is thriving.
- graemep 2mo agoWhich Enlightenment values? Racism? Sexism? Colonialism?
- KaiserPro 2mo agoTranslating the arabic texts of science (either copied and expanded from greek, latin and other places, or new research) and claiming that it was widom of the ancients?
- throwa356262 2mo agoWhat about Ukraine, Venezuela, North Korea, Taiwan, Panama, Greenland, Congo, Mexico, El Salvador, ...
- throwaway30213 2mo agoHow many of those global conflicts are being fuelled, driven or outright perpetrated by western countries?
- wqaatwt 2mo agoTo be fair for the most part Christianity didn’t spread top down through violent conquest (obviously with some huge exceptions) at least in the Middle East and surrounding regions. Also it’s historically better at integrating local cultural practices and languages. Unlike Islam which which usually wiped out local cultural and linguistic identities (during the periods of Arab conquests, that shifted quite a but later on of course)
- Hikikomori 2mo agoWell the crusades, northern crusades and most of imperialism. For the most part it's enough to conquer a place. People below the timing elite would switch religions as it would be beneficial for them, and eventually trickle down to peasants and such.
- wqaatwt 2mo ago> Crusades Many of the regions they invaded were still (or until quite recently) majority Christian. After all initially it was a defensive relief expedition organized by the pope and the Byzantine emperor to free the territories the empire lost in Anatolia very recently. Of course it was massively more successful than anyone anticipated and they just kept on going and then the whole thing got “slightly” out of hand.. But yes, as I said there were some huge exceptions. However early on the way Christianity spread was fundamentally different to Islam. It was usually not through violent conquest but bottom up. European imperialism was quite mixed as well. Christianity played a huge part in the Spanish conquests of the Americas. Much less so in British India and other similar places.
- Hikikomori 2mo agoVery peaceful when you convienently ignore all the violence. Northern crusades were extremely bloody and defeated people would accept baptism or be executed. Charlemange was more of the same deal. Catholic church left pagans to their own devices? Christian history is littered with these examples, it has not been a peaceful religion since it merged with Roman society. The only real good examples you could have are missionaries and top down conversion as kings and such voluntarily switched religions.
- carlosjobim 2mo agoChristianity was very different, and the evidence for that is undeniable and gigantic. The fruits of diversity within christendom is offered in great treasure heaps within science, music, art, philosophy, theology, lifestyles, ways of worship, mysteries of the faith, and culture in general. Christianity merged with local cultures, removing some aspects and adding some aspects.