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I haven't tried an OpenAI model for a long time, but with Fable going to API pricing soon this might be enough to get me to try codex.

by sd9 2mo ago

danielbln 2mo ago
Seeing how Anthropomorphic just reset usage quotas back to 0 and the other day extended Fable sub inclusion by a few days, I have a feeling they might not drop Fable out of sub after all, because like you I would most definitely take a long good look at codex at that point.
- sd9 2mo ago
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- matheusmoreira 2mo ago
  It's not just the API pricing either, there's also the constant uncertainty. They pull the model then put it back up, they say the model is going away then suddenly it's not. And then there's the fact Fable is barely usable because it randomly downgrades to Opus out of nowhere whenever it thinks about exploits. It's definitely good that Anthropic's feeling the pressure. Anthropic has worn out their welcome with this "safety" nonsense. If OpenAI actually lets me use the LLMs on a subscription without any of this bullshit, I'll definitely switch.
  - kouteiheika 2mo ago
    > And then there's the fact Fable is barely usable because it randomly downgrades to Opus out of nowhere whenever it thinks about exploits. I suspect it's not what you meant, but it's definitely not random and is very deliberate. Just today I got it to reliably trigger the "safety" filter with (drumroll) having it list the weight keys of a 300M parameter ModernBERT-derived model. Their "safety" classifier must be matching one of the key names in there and trigger their "this is a frontier model" anti-competitive filter[1] (even though it's just a tiny 300M parameter model, four orders of magnitude smaller than the frontier). [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48464732 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48464732 Fortunately once you know how it works (i.e. dumb keyword classifier) it's easy-ish to get around: just rename the keys so that it doesn't contain the naughty keyword. (At least as long as it doesn't trigger on something in its own thinking trace, which needs... more creative workarounds.)
- ai_fry_ur_brain 2mo ago
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I haven't tried an OpenAI model for a long time, but with Fable going to API pricing soon this might be enough to get me to try codex.

by sd9 2mo ago

I haven't tried an OpenAI model for a long time, but with Fable going to API pricing soon this might be enough to get me to try codex.

danielbln 2mo ago

Seeing how Anthropomorphic just reset usage quotas back to 0 and the other day extended Fable sub inclusion by a few days, I have a feeling they might not drop Fable out of sub after all, because like you I would most definitely take a long good look at codex at that point.

sd9 2mo ago
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matheusmoreira 2mo ago
It's not just the API pricing either, there's also the constant uncertainty. They pull the model then put it back up, they say the model is going away then suddenly it's not. And then there's the fact Fable is barely usable because it randomly downgrades to Opus out of nowhere whenever it thinks about exploits. It's definitely good that Anthropic's feeling the pressure. Anthropic has worn out their welcome with this "safety" nonsense. If OpenAI actually lets me use the LLMs on a subscription without any of this bullshit, I'll definitely switch.
- kouteiheika 2mo ago
  > And then there's the fact Fable is barely usable because it randomly downgrades to Opus out of nowhere whenever it thinks about exploits. I suspect it's not what you meant, but it's definitely not random and is very deliberate. Just today I got it to reliably trigger the "safety" filter with (drumroll) having it list the weight keys of a 300M parameter ModernBERT-derived model. Their "safety" classifier must be matching one of the key names in there and trigger their "this is a frontier model" anti-competitive filter[1] (even though it's just a tiny 300M parameter model, four orders of magnitude smaller than the frontier). [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48464732 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48464732 Fortunately once you know how it works (i.e. dumb keyword classifier) it's easy-ish to get around: just rename the keys so that it doesn't contain the naughty keyword. (At least as long as it doesn't trigger on something in its own thinking trace, which needs... more creative workarounds.)
ai_fry_ur_brain 2mo ago
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