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the loss of network effect.

by andrew_ 2mo ago

miyoji 2mo ago
I have never once in my life cared about where a programming language kept its source and I think if anyone is using that as a basis for decision-making, they are truly a moron.
- vopi 2mo ago
  You’re telling me you would be as likely to contribute to a project hosted in CVS as compared to git (and on GitHub)?
  - sph 2mo ago
    No, but making a codeberg account, seemingly the second most popular forge in the world, is not that huge effort.
    - vopi 2mo ago
      I agree. It's possible in the future a project hosted on codeberg is a silent "stamp of quality". Though, I still think there could be impact wrt a network effect.
    - crabmusket 2mo ago
      > second most popular forge in the world This is absolutely brutal to GitLab
    - kanwisher 2mo ago
      never once seen a link to codeberg, at least gitlab or god forbid source forge still gets linked to on occasion
  - miyoji 2mo ago
    I don't care if it's on GitHub at all, it's not hard to work with any arbitrary git remote. CVS would be a weird choice, but it wouldn't be a dealbreaker on its own. Fossil or some other modern alternative VCS wouldn't be a red flag or weird at all. But I wasn't talking about contributing to the language, which is a weird standard to use here since Zig isn't interested in outside contributors. I was talking about choosing a programming language for use for some professional or personal project. I don't give a fig what version control solutions the team chooses to use if the language is good and solves my problems, and I would consider it very strange if someone tried to argue that I shouldn't use some language because they put their code on a non-Microsoft owned server.
    - vopi 2mo ago
      I generally agree with you that choosing something based on where it's hosted is dumb. I still think there could be an impact wrt a network effect. The original comment you replied to was talking about "the loss of network effect" and you sounded dismissive of it. It might not even matter, but I think it's somewhat fair to say it could have an impact.
fg137 2mo ago
Linux kernel is not even run on github. Somehow people manage to find its source and contribute to it.
crabmusket 2mo ago
What I assume you mean is not the network effect, where more users of a product makes the product more valuable. That's still true for Zig as more users increase the ecosystem, funding potential etc. regardless of where the compiler source lives. I think you mean to say something like barrier to entry for contributors? Where having to sign up for a new service will discourage some engagement with the core repo.

the loss of network effect.

by andrew_ 2mo ago

the loss of network effect.

I have never once in my life cared about where a programming language kept its source and I think if anyone is using that as a basis for decision-making, they are truly a moron.

vopi 2mo ago
You’re telling me you would be as likely to contribute to a project hosted in CVS as compared to git (and on GitHub)?
- sph 2mo ago
  No, but making a codeberg account, seemingly the second most popular forge in the world, is not that huge effort.
  - vopi 2mo ago
    I agree. It's possible in the future a project hosted on codeberg is a silent "stamp of quality". Though, I still think there could be impact wrt a network effect.
  - crabmusket 2mo ago
    > second most popular forge in the world This is absolutely brutal to GitLab
  - kanwisher 2mo ago
    never once seen a link to codeberg, at least gitlab or god forbid source forge still gets linked to on occasion
- miyoji 2mo ago
  I don't care if it's on GitHub at all, it's not hard to work with any arbitrary git remote. CVS would be a weird choice, but it wouldn't be a dealbreaker on its own. Fossil or some other modern alternative VCS wouldn't be a red flag or weird at all. But I wasn't talking about contributing to the language, which is a weird standard to use here since Zig isn't interested in outside contributors. I was talking about choosing a programming language for use for some professional or personal project. I don't give a fig what version control solutions the team chooses to use if the language is good and solves my problems, and I would consider it very strange if someone tried to argue that I shouldn't use some language because they put their code on a non-Microsoft owned server.
  - vopi 2mo ago
    I generally agree with you that choosing something based on where it's hosted is dumb. I still think there could be an impact wrt a network effect. The original comment you replied to was talking about "the loss of network effect" and you sounded dismissive of it. It might not even matter, but I think it's somewhat fair to say it could have an impact.

fg137 2mo ago

Linux kernel is not even run on github. Somehow people manage to find its source and contribute to it.

crabmusket 2mo ago

What I assume you mean is not the network effect, where more users of a product makes the product more valuable. That's still true for Zig as more users increase the ecosystem, funding potential etc. regardless of where the compiler source lives. I think you mean to say something like barrier to entry for contributors? Where having to sign up for a new service will discourage some engagement with the core repo.