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Grok is many things but it is not "neutral". https://www.economist.com/briefing/2026/06/25/ai-models-values-are-very-different-from-most-peoples https://www.eco

Grok is many things but it is not "neutral". https://www.economist.com/briefing/2026/06/25/ai-models-values-are-very-different-from-most-peoples https://www.economist.com/briefing/2026/06/25/ai-models-valu...

scarab92 2mo ago
Most of us don’t have economist subscriptions. Maybe you can just tell us what you mean by not neutral? I find Grok to be far more academically honest than the other models. The other models seem to be much more aligned with public opinion over academic consensus especially on topics around economics and biology. I find public opinion on these topics to be very group think populist and prefer the academic take that grok provides
- inigyou 2mo ago
  Well it did call itself MechaHitler, start talking about a supposed white genocide that's happening, and generate metric fucktons of child porn.
  - tommica 2mo ago
    Only issue in that is the CP, the rest is still purely next token prediction. To take it seriously is silly, and to think that is everything it provides is cherry picking. It would be like judging gemini because it generated images of famous historical people as black, which was fucking stupid. I use gemini quite a lot as my chat tool, and it works great.
    - figmert 2mo ago
      Well then the question becomes, what did it get trained on for next token prediction to come to the conclusion that there's a white genocide? Cos yes, people on the internet believe such stupid thing, but I can promise you, it is not the majority who believe that.
- breezybottom 2mo ago
  It's the only model which says that Elon Musk is more athletic than Lebron James. Is that honesty?
  - jdthedisciple 2mo ago
    So it also has good humor, kinda sounds like a cool friend no?
timr 2mo ago
I’m not sure if you’re trying to say that it’s left or right, but it’s perhaps relevant to point out that that article is about the political bias of all major models. And right there in the subhead, they explicitly say that the models have a left bias.
- goobatrooba 2mo ago
  Funnily, as a European all the models appear extremely right wing. The political spectrum is shifted far more right in the US than in Europe, so what is left there is still at least conservative here. I ask my AI to give me citations science and pro/con arguments when discusssing anything that could be shaped by cultural biases.
  - drstewart 2mo ago
    > The political spectrum is shifted far more right in the US than in Europe Is it Farage, Le Pen, or Weidel pulling the spectrum so far leftward?
    - dbspin 2mo ago
      You're aware the UK isn't in the EU right, and hasn't been for quite some time? Also that AfD and National Rally aren't yet, and have never been in control of the German or French parliaments. So yes, it's in the US that it's shifted. US money and influence (Musk and Theil money and feet on the ground influence through figures like Bannon), as well as US social media companies running US aligned algorithms, are an enormously significant factor in the rise of the right in Europe.
      - satvikpendem 2mo ago
        They said European not EU, don't conflate the two. The UK is still in the continent of Europe.
        dbspin 2mo ago
0-_-0 2mo ago
In that article Grok shows highest neutrality
- Madmallard 2mo ago
  That's pretty funny considering the comments in this thread hahahaha

scarab92 2mo ago

Most of us don’t have economist subscriptions. Maybe you can just tell us what you mean by not neutral? I find Grok to be far more academically honest than the other models. The other models seem to be much more aligned with public opinion over academic consensus especially on topics around economics and biology. I find public opinion on these topics to be very group think populist and prefer the academic take that grok provides

inigyou 2mo ago
Well it did call itself MechaHitler, start talking about a supposed white genocide that's happening, and generate metric fucktons of child porn.
- tommica 2mo ago
  Only issue in that is the CP, the rest is still purely next token prediction. To take it seriously is silly, and to think that is everything it provides is cherry picking. It would be like judging gemini because it generated images of famous historical people as black, which was fucking stupid. I use gemini quite a lot as my chat tool, and it works great.
  - figmert 2mo ago
    Well then the question becomes, what did it get trained on for next token prediction to come to the conclusion that there's a white genocide? Cos yes, people on the internet believe such stupid thing, but I can promise you, it is not the majority who believe that.
breezybottom 2mo ago
It's the only model which says that Elon Musk is more athletic than Lebron James. Is that honesty?
- jdthedisciple 2mo ago
  So it also has good humor, kinda sounds like a cool friend no?

timr 2mo ago

I’m not sure if you’re trying to say that it’s left or right, but it’s perhaps relevant to point out that that article is about the political bias of all major models. And right there in the subhead, they explicitly say that the models have a left bias.

goobatrooba 2mo ago
Funnily, as a European all the models appear extremely right wing. The political spectrum is shifted far more right in the US than in Europe, so what is left there is still at least conservative here. I ask my AI to give me citations science and pro/con arguments when discusssing anything that could be shaped by cultural biases.
- drstewart 2mo ago
  > The political spectrum is shifted far more right in the US than in Europe Is it Farage, Le Pen, or Weidel pulling the spectrum so far leftward?
  - dbspin 2mo ago
    You're aware the UK isn't in the EU right, and hasn't been for quite some time? Also that AfD and National Rally aren't yet, and have never been in control of the German or French parliaments. So yes, it's in the US that it's shifted. US money and influence (Musk and Theil money and feet on the ground influence through figures like Bannon), as well as US social media companies running US aligned algorithms, are an enormously significant factor in the rise of the right in Europe.
    - satvikpendem 2mo ago
      They said European not EU, don't conflate the two. The UK is still in the continent of Europe.
      - dbspin 2mo ago

0-_-0 2mo ago

In that article Grok shows highest neutrality

Madmallard 2mo ago
That's pretty funny considering the comments in this thread hahahaha