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> ex. the Steam Controller, nobody can make a decent game controller except for console vendors Reading this feels feels like you are the one that is still in

> ex. the Steam Controller, nobody can make a decent game controller except for console vendors Reading this feels feels like you are the one that is still in 1990s. Third party controllers have long surpassed the ones from console vendors. Standard console controllers still continue to use potentiometers for sticks. Even pro versions that cost over a hundred euro still use them.

Forgeties79 2mo ago
Xbox’s stock controller since the 360 is hands down the best controller out there. Every other good controller is basically a variation of it lol
- opan 2mo ago
  Modern controller DNA goes back to the PS1, first to have 4 shoulder buttons and two analog sticks.
  - Forgeties79 2mo ago
    Fair but the form factor is completely different. Dreamcast/xbox I’d consider the real base for modern controllers. But my original point is that once the 360 controller came out everyone (except Sony) has basically 90% copied it. Everything before is pretty distinct.
    - opan 2mo ago
      While Switch is 360-esque now, the Wii Classic Controller had symmetrical sticks at the bottom, Wii U Pro Controller and GamePad had symmetrical sticks on top. So Nintendo wasn't totally committed to the 360 design even if the GameCube controller was almost there before. (Not gonna count the Wiimote as it's a little too different) Steam Deck and Steam Controller have symmetrical sticks as well. I don't think it's as clear cut as you say. 8BitDo and GuliKit have controllers in both form factors also (released in the last 2 years even). Also worth noting that XInput has been holding back PC controllers so that anything more ambitious than a 360 controller is hard to get working. Microsoft is also the only controller manufacturer to not put gyro in their controllers.
      - Forgeties79 2mo ago
        You’re getting too nitty gritty. The general shape/form factor for all controllers, as well as 90% of the button/stick layout, was basically locked by the 360. Every diversion is either Sony or window dressing.
        opan 2mo ago
        So you don't mean stick or button layout, just the body shape then?

Forgeties79 2mo ago

Xbox’s stock controller since the 360 is hands down the best controller out there. Every other good controller is basically a variation of it lol

opan 2mo ago
Modern controller DNA goes back to the PS1, first to have 4 shoulder buttons and two analog sticks.
- Forgeties79 2mo ago
  Fair but the form factor is completely different. Dreamcast/xbox I’d consider the real base for modern controllers. But my original point is that once the 360 controller came out everyone (except Sony) has basically 90% copied it. Everything before is pretty distinct.
  - opan 2mo ago
    While Switch is 360-esque now, the Wii Classic Controller had symmetrical sticks at the bottom, Wii U Pro Controller and GamePad had symmetrical sticks on top. So Nintendo wasn't totally committed to the 360 design even if the GameCube controller was almost there before. (Not gonna count the Wiimote as it's a little too different) Steam Deck and Steam Controller have symmetrical sticks as well. I don't think it's as clear cut as you say. 8BitDo and GuliKit have controllers in both form factors also (released in the last 2 years even). Also worth noting that XInput has been holding back PC controllers so that anything more ambitious than a 360 controller is hard to get working. Microsoft is also the only controller manufacturer to not put gyro in their controllers.
    - Forgeties79 2mo ago
      You’re getting too nitty gritty. The general shape/form factor for all controllers, as well as 90% of the button/stick layout, was basically locked by the 360. Every diversion is either Sony or window dressing.
      - opan 2mo ago
        So you don't mean stick or button layout, just the body shape then?