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all the open source models are a waste of time relative to the bleeding edge from openai/anthropic

pixel_popping 2mo ago
Not true since a few months, genuinely try GLM 5.2 and Minimax M3, especially in adversarial/gating... as a general model, I can agree, but as a coding model, they are not bad, comparable to maybe Opus 4.5 in real usage which is quite impressive.
- llmslave 2mo ago
  yeah but why waste your time on these models, just use the one that gets the better results
  - somenameforme 2mo ago
    I was going to respond until I saw your account name lol.
    - llmslave 2mo ago
      haha i outsource my thinking to the smartest model
  - 9183726518 2mo ago
    Because you can get them from more trustworthy providers or with hardware encryption.
    - llmslave 2mo ago
      i trust anthropic/openai with my data far more than some random startup.
  - nicoburns 2mo ago
    I actively prefer GLM-5.2 for some tasks. For simple tasks the results are just as good as e.g. Opus, and it produces results significantly faster.
- villish 2mo ago
  I use GLM or DS4 to help me draft a better initial prompt with more information that I then give to Sonnet 5/Fable/GPT5.5. While benchmarks show the open models close to frontier level, my experience with them is drastically different. I have high confidence that Fable or GPT will 1 shot solutions. At least with low level programming languages. They're all very good for webdev stuff.
wongarsu 2mo ago
At work I wouldn't want to use anything else. Compared to my salary a Claude subscription (or two) is cheap For hobby projects I've completely switched to DeepSeek v4 pro. I spend less than on a $10 Claude plan and am not subjected to quota limits (when I have time and motivation, the last thing I want is a 5 hour quota running out). And the difference in model performance is fine for those smaller projects, most of which will end up abandoned or in a state of "good enough" anyways And for utility tasks, those 30b models are also great. I'm a big fan of gemma4
- llmslave 2mo ago
  ive just got better things to do with my life than fuss with an inferior model. its like why hire a dumb employee over a smart one
  - BeetleB 2mo ago
    I think you misspelled "I've got plenty of money".
    - llmslave 2mo ago
      200 bucks a month?
      - BeetleB 2mo ago
        Is a lot of money. The majority of people here aren't willing to spend $200/mo for coding unless their little projects provide a comparable value back to them. For context, I'm paying under $30/year and get GLM-5.2. An extra $2300/year isn't going to get me much better outcomes.
        llmslave 2mo ago
        it seems cheap for what is borderline AGI

Not true since a few months, genuinely try GLM 5.2 and Minimax M3, especially in adversarial/gating... as a general model, I can agree, but as a coding model, they are not bad, comparable to maybe Opus 4.5 in real usage which is quite impressive.

llmslave 2mo ago
yeah but why waste your time on these models, just use the one that gets the better results
- somenameforme 2mo ago
  I was going to respond until I saw your account name lol.
  - llmslave 2mo ago
    haha i outsource my thinking to the smartest model
- 9183726518 2mo ago
  Because you can get them from more trustworthy providers or with hardware encryption.
  - llmslave 2mo ago
    i trust anthropic/openai with my data far more than some random startup.
- nicoburns 2mo ago
  I actively prefer GLM-5.2 for some tasks. For simple tasks the results are just as good as e.g. Opus, and it produces results significantly faster.
villish 2mo ago
I use GLM or DS4 to help me draft a better initial prompt with more information that I then give to Sonnet 5/Fable/GPT5.5. While benchmarks show the open models close to frontier level, my experience with them is drastically different. I have high confidence that Fable or GPT will 1 shot solutions. At least with low level programming languages. They're all very good for webdev stuff.

wongarsu 2mo ago

At work I wouldn't want to use anything else. Compared to my salary a Claude subscription (or two) is cheap For hobby projects I've completely switched to DeepSeek v4 pro. I spend less than on a $10 Claude plan and am not subjected to quota limits (when I have time and motivation, the last thing I want is a 5 hour quota running out). And the difference in model performance is fine for those smaller projects, most of which will end up abandoned or in a state of "good enough" anyways And for utility tasks, those 30b models are also great. I'm a big fan of gemma4

llmslave 2mo ago
ive just got better things to do with my life than fuss with an inferior model. its like why hire a dumb employee over a smart one
- BeetleB 2mo ago
  I think you misspelled "I've got plenty of money".
  - llmslave 2mo ago
    200 bucks a month?
    - BeetleB 2mo ago
      Is a lot of money. The majority of people here aren't willing to spend $200/mo for coding unless their little projects provide a comparable value back to them. For context, I'm paying under $30/year and get GLM-5.2. An extra $2300/year isn't going to get me much better outcomes.
      - llmslave 2mo ago
        it seems cheap for what is borderline AGI