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It's been working for tens of thousands of years. What changed in the last few decades wasn't parenting or technology. It was the rise of the nanny state where

It's been working for tens of thousands of years. What changed in the last few decades wasn't parenting or technology. It was the rise of the nanny state where the parents gave up the parenting of their kids and entrusted that to educational institutions instead.

p-e-w 2mo ago
It both works and fails, like many other things. But if you hold the goal that it must never fail in sufficiently high esteem, you invariably end up with a system like the one we have now.
- Dilettante_ 2mo ago
  >the goal that it must never fail That's a good way to put it
- joe_mamba 2mo ago
  If the goal of a system is to never fail, then the bureaucrats in charge of running that system will just game the metrics and cover up all the issue, while it fails first very slowly then very suddenly. In fact that's why nothing ever gets done to improve things in the EU/west, because we expect perfect outcome in every new change and we want potential risks to be zero before something new is implemented, so it's easier for leaders to just never do anything, never change anything, just sit and maintain the status quo while we go through managed decline complaining things keep slowly getting worse.
- latentsea 2mo ago
  I'd prefer to just accept the reality is it fails sometimes and not try to get a 100% foolproof solution. That lies the way of madness.
DiggyJohnson 2mo ago
I genuinely think it’s all three: 1. The cultural factor is rising expectations for children and their parents, costing both time and money; 2. The political/social factor is nanny states and academic institutions that the public expects to not only teach but raise their kids; 3. Technology. Especially the Internet, mobile devices, social media, and short form content. Technology distracts and isolates both kids and parents. An example of the three factors at work is the all-too-common local news trope of ”Nosy neighbor calls CPS because the family next door lets their kids walk to school. Whole family traumatized as a result.”
pixl97 2mo ago
>It's been working for tens of thousands of years. I mean, I'll gladly send you 10k years back and have you tell me how it goes.
latentsea 2mo ago
I think if you were able to get accurate statistics on rates of sexual abuse for the last few thousand years you'd find there's a baseline that we don't seem to ever learn to do better than.

p-e-w 2mo ago

It both works and fails, like many other things. But if you hold the goal that it must never fail in sufficiently high esteem, you invariably end up with a system like the one we have now.

Dilettante_ 2mo ago
>the goal that it must never fail That's a good way to put it
joe_mamba 2mo ago
If the goal of a system is to never fail, then the bureaucrats in charge of running that system will just game the metrics and cover up all the issue, while it fails first very slowly then very suddenly. In fact that's why nothing ever gets done to improve things in the EU/west, because we expect perfect outcome in every new change and we want potential risks to be zero before something new is implemented, so it's easier for leaders to just never do anything, never change anything, just sit and maintain the status quo while we go through managed decline complaining things keep slowly getting worse.
latentsea 2mo ago
I'd prefer to just accept the reality is it fails sometimes and not try to get a 100% foolproof solution. That lies the way of madness.

DiggyJohnson 2mo ago

I genuinely think it’s all three: 1. The cultural factor is rising expectations for children and their parents, costing both time and money; 2. The political/social factor is nanny states and academic institutions that the public expects to not only teach but raise their kids; 3. Technology. Especially the Internet, mobile devices, social media, and short form content. Technology distracts and isolates both kids and parents. An example of the three factors at work is the all-too-common local news trope of ”Nosy neighbor calls CPS because the family next door lets their kids walk to school. Whole family traumatized as a result.”

pixl97 2mo ago

>It's been working for tens of thousands of years. I mean, I'll gladly send you 10k years back and have you tell me how it goes.

latentsea 2mo ago

I think if you were able to get accurate statistics on rates of sexual abuse for the last few thousand years you'd find there's a baseline that we don't seem to ever learn to do better than.