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Any previewers have hot takes? I've really preferred gpt-5.5 over Opus 4.8 for data analysis and scientific software work. It seems much more reliable. Fable is

by ray__ 2mo ago

Any previewers have hot takes? I've really preferred gpt-5.5 over Opus 4.8 for data analysis and scientific software work. It seems much more reliable. Fable is unusable for the type of work that I do (due to guardrails). Really looking forward to trying these new OpenAI models out.

ottoboney 2mo ago
It seems comparable to Fable to me in my uses.
- wahnfrieden 2mo ago
  That's great to hear - and for the same price as 5.5, and reportedly with much lower token use per task. Were you able to try Sol Ultra?
  - ottoboney 2mo ago
    No, my organization limits access to xhigh.
- scottmf 2mo ago
  What types of use cases?
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hodgehog11 2mo ago
I'm sorry to hear you are unable to use Fable; my partner is in the same boat and it frustrates her immensely to see what I've been able to do with it. As someone who is working with developing new linear algebra routines, Fable is so far ahead of GPT-5.5 and Opus that it's obscene. Massively better insights and far better at handling delicate corner cases without needing to mention them. I would be stunned if GPT-5.6 is at that level, but one can hope.
CjHuber 2mo ago
Interesting to hear people like gpt-5.5. For me it feels smart only at one shot prompts, but if you try to build up session context before doing something it feels magnitudes inferior to Claude. I'm almost sure its because the thinking of previous turns is stripped with the responses API, so if I tell it to analyse something deeply, what remains of the understanding in future turns is only the short response text of that analysis
- porker 2mo ago
  For gpt-5.5 I build up that session context into a markdown file, and then I start a new session and give it the markdown file with the instructions for what to do. I'm guessing this works better because it can always go back and re-analyze the saved context.
- throwuxiytayq 2mo ago
  > thinking of previous turns is stripped with the responses API Why do they store an encrypted reasoning payload in the session file and pass it to the API? Just a ruse? Reasoning isn’t even that many tokens, you think they’d degrade their model quality like that? Reasoning messages would be lost immediately after a single tool call, unless you mean they sometimes go back and strip the reasoning channel retroactively, but that would increase costs via cache invalidation. I just don’t see any way it would make sense for them to do. And wouldn’t this be noticeable by reasoning tokens not being accounted for in the context window usage?
- prodigycorp 2mo ago
  Do you have a source for this? I'm pretty sure responses api is only there to obfuscate reasoning, but that they're still keeping reasoning traces in the backend.
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pavpanchekha 2mo ago
For compiler work I found that Sol is noticably better than 5.5 (and I generally use OAI models because I like the Codex app), but Fable was still obviously better.
- cbg0 2mo ago
  Better in what way? Does it follow the goals better, does the code produce have higher quality in a testable/maintainable sense or is it just closer to how you would usually program something?
petesergeant 2mo ago
Interesting, data analysis work is the only thing I’ll use Gemini for

by ray__ 2mo ago

ottoboney 2mo ago

It seems comparable to Fable to me in my uses.

wahnfrieden 2mo ago
That's great to hear - and for the same price as 5.5, and reportedly with much lower token use per task. Were you able to try Sol Ultra?
- ottoboney 2mo ago
  No, my organization limits access to xhigh.
scottmf 2mo ago
What types of use cases?

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hodgehog11 2mo ago

I'm sorry to hear you are unable to use Fable; my partner is in the same boat and it frustrates her immensely to see what I've been able to do with it. As someone who is working with developing new linear algebra routines, Fable is so far ahead of GPT-5.5 and Opus that it's obscene. Massively better insights and far better at handling delicate corner cases without needing to mention them. I would be stunned if GPT-5.6 is at that level, but one can hope.

CjHuber 2mo ago

Interesting to hear people like gpt-5.5. For me it feels smart only at one shot prompts, but if you try to build up session context before doing something it feels magnitudes inferior to Claude. I'm almost sure its because the thinking of previous turns is stripped with the responses API, so if I tell it to analyse something deeply, what remains of the understanding in future turns is only the short response text of that analysis

porker 2mo ago
For gpt-5.5 I build up that session context into a markdown file, and then I start a new session and give it the markdown file with the instructions for what to do. I'm guessing this works better because it can always go back and re-analyze the saved context.
throwuxiytayq 2mo ago
> thinking of previous turns is stripped with the responses API Why do they store an encrypted reasoning payload in the session file and pass it to the API? Just a ruse? Reasoning isn’t even that many tokens, you think they’d degrade their model quality like that? Reasoning messages would be lost immediately after a single tool call, unless you mean they sometimes go back and strip the reasoning channel retroactively, but that would increase costs via cache invalidation. I just don’t see any way it would make sense for them to do. And wouldn’t this be noticeable by reasoning tokens not being accounted for in the context window usage?
prodigycorp 2mo ago
Do you have a source for this? I'm pretty sure responses api is only there to obfuscate reasoning, but that they're still keeping reasoning traces in the backend.
- wahnfrieden 2mo ago
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  - CjHuber 2mo ago

pavpanchekha 2mo ago

For compiler work I found that Sol is noticably better than 5.5 (and I generally use OAI models because I like the Codex app), but Fable was still obviously better.

cbg0 2mo ago
Better in what way? Does it follow the goals better, does the code produce have higher quality in a testable/maintainable sense or is it just closer to how you would usually program something?

petesergeant 2mo ago

Interesting, data analysis work is the only thing I’ll use Gemini for