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This industry's complete outsourcing of its core business value on a third party proprietary subscription based tool, Claude, made by an unprofitable company, A

This industry's complete outsourcing of its core business value on a third party proprietary subscription based tool, Claude, made by an unprofitable company, Anthropic, is very concerning. You are all lunatics, sorry.

tim333 2mo ago
I think the comment said they were outsourcing it to "whatever".
QuantumGood 2mo ago
You seem to be referencing as core business value a combination of (1) the ability to maintain a (2) business criitical resource, but stating it as if catastrophizing from a hasty generalization. Can you clarify? It's really not that simple. A lot of what's involved is fungible. Of course, the answer to "Was the greatest intelligence harnessed to make the greatest decision?" Is always no. AIs can be swapped for one another, run locally, and implemented in ways that are less prone to loss of function. Loss of anyone who understands the working code is a type of risk, but that kind of issue tends to bounce between losing skill from lack of foresight due to economic savings, and overhiring / bringing back lost employees as consultants.
MrSkelter 2mo ago
The industry is a joke. Meta requires tens of thousands of engineers to maintain a social media site. Google even more for an ad platform. Never have so many achieved so little and the joke is all those clowns think they are “10x engineers”. Meanwhile WhatsApp got to global scale with less than 30 people (before Meta bought it and piled on the inefficiency). Vibe coding is many orders of magnitude more efficient than the industry standard and that’s why it’s so disruptive.
infinitifall 2mo ago
I don't follow this line of reasoning. Would it have been meaningfully different if OP had used open-weight models like GLM or DeepSeek? Does it really matter considering we'll have superior models next quarter?
- ____mr____ 2mo ago
  The meaningful difference is that you will not experience EOS if (when) anthropic/openai/etc fails to become profitable and is no longer subsidized by capital funding. While "vibe-coded" apps do help lots of people who didnt have the time/money/skills to create their projects, you should be aware that currently the compute is being subsidized so that users become reliant/used to the service.
  - socratic_weeb 2mo ago
    I believe vibe coding in general is a bad business strategy whether you use FOSS models or not because it means your product probably doesn't have any "secret sauce" (leaving code maintainability problems aside). By that I mean a carefully researched innovation that gives the edge to your product. Nevertheless, using FOSS models is clearly better for the reason you mentioned. I believe serious businesses will transition into using AI on-premise in a very restrictive manner (eg: AI only for tests and reviews policy, etc.). We'll once the dust is settled.
    - Daedren 2mo ago
      The question is if your "secret sauce" will stay secret as you use Anthropic's products, considering they've been launching specialised models like Claude Legal and Design. What happened to Figma with Claude Design should be a warning sign.
    - ____mr____ 2mo ago
      You can inject "secret sauce" through your domain knowledge or life experience. You could vibe code the "tedium" out of your app with little to no care about it using AI while paying close attention to the critical aspects of your product. Of course, the fact that all of your AI code usage is being monitored by the company that provides you the model/harness is also still means they can just steal your product whenever they want Stricter use would remove the primary benefit while not really giving much upside so I don't think companies will move in this direction

tim333 2mo ago

I think the comment said they were outsourcing it to "whatever".

QuantumGood 2mo ago

You seem to be referencing as core business value a combination of (1) the ability to maintain a (2) business criitical resource, but stating it as if catastrophizing from a hasty generalization. Can you clarify? It's really not that simple. A lot of what's involved is fungible. Of course, the answer to "Was the greatest intelligence harnessed to make the greatest decision?" Is always no. AIs can be swapped for one another, run locally, and implemented in ways that are less prone to loss of function. Loss of anyone who understands the working code is a type of risk, but that kind of issue tends to bounce between losing skill from lack of foresight due to economic savings, and overhiring / bringing back lost employees as consultants.

MrSkelter 2mo ago

The industry is a joke. Meta requires tens of thousands of engineers to maintain a social media site. Google even more for an ad platform. Never have so many achieved so little and the joke is all those clowns think they are “10x engineers”. Meanwhile WhatsApp got to global scale with less than 30 people (before Meta bought it and piled on the inefficiency). Vibe coding is many orders of magnitude more efficient than the industry standard and that’s why it’s so disruptive.

infinitifall 2mo ago

I don't follow this line of reasoning. Would it have been meaningfully different if OP had used open-weight models like GLM or DeepSeek? Does it really matter considering we'll have superior models next quarter?

____mr____ 2mo ago
The meaningful difference is that you will not experience EOS if (when) anthropic/openai/etc fails to become profitable and is no longer subsidized by capital funding. While "vibe-coded" apps do help lots of people who didnt have the time/money/skills to create their projects, you should be aware that currently the compute is being subsidized so that users become reliant/used to the service.
- socratic_weeb 2mo ago
  I believe vibe coding in general is a bad business strategy whether you use FOSS models or not because it means your product probably doesn't have any "secret sauce" (leaving code maintainability problems aside). By that I mean a carefully researched innovation that gives the edge to your product. Nevertheless, using FOSS models is clearly better for the reason you mentioned. I believe serious businesses will transition into using AI on-premise in a very restrictive manner (eg: AI only for tests and reviews policy, etc.). We'll once the dust is settled.
  - Daedren 2mo ago
    The question is if your "secret sauce" will stay secret as you use Anthropic's products, considering they've been launching specialised models like Claude Legal and Design. What happened to Figma with Claude Design should be a warning sign.
  - ____mr____ 2mo ago
    You can inject "secret sauce" through your domain knowledge or life experience. You could vibe code the "tedium" out of your app with little to no care about it using AI while paying close attention to the critical aspects of your product. Of course, the fact that all of your AI code usage is being monitored by the company that provides you the model/harness is also still means they can just steal your product whenever they want Stricter use would remove the primary benefit while not really giving much upside so I don't think companies will move in this direction